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Christianity

"God is love"

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#1 of 54

     Posted 7/14/09 7:32 AM   
Sysop Chris Eyre
 
From  Sysop Chris Eyre  Posts 11116  Last Feb-4
To  Omega      [Msg # 167836.1 ]    

C>>The ONLY way in which you can equate a person to a state or process is figuratively/metaphorically.<<

K>> Unless the state and the process is complete and the person has reached the object of the process.  It is also more probable that God started out as love and did not need a process to be in that staqte.

States can be reduced to adjectival phrases, and therefore perform like adjectives. Consider, for instance, whether "God is love" is not the same kind of statement as "The ball is red". There is no equivalence between "ball" and "red"; other things can be red, other things can be balls.

A process which has "reached it's objective" has ended, and is no longer a process (or, indeed, anything).

Love is not a "thing". In the sense that a person is a "thing", God is a "thing". There cannot be direct equivalence.

Love is also intrinsically a relationship. I'm wholly unconvinced that the concept of love in the absence of relationship has any meaning, so would question whether "God is love" can have meaning independently of there being something other than God which could be related to.

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     Posted Oct-28 5:16 PM   
Anna OG
 
From  Anna OG  Posts 375  Last 4:14 PM
To  Sysop Chris Eyre      [Msg # 167836.2 Message 167836.2 replying to 167836.1 167836.1 ]    

God is...and that is enough for me today..

 

Anna who believes in the attributes of God.

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     Posted Oct-28 5:20 PM   
Patricia O.
 
From  Patricia O.  Posts 11794  Last 12:08 PM
To  Anna OG      [Msg # 167836.3 Message 167836.3 replying to 167836.2 167836.2 ]    
>>> Anna who believes in the attributes of God. <<<

Which attributes?
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#4 of 54

     Posted Oct-30 10:02 AM   
Calvin
 
From  Calvin  Posts 1957  Last Jan-15
To  Sysop Chris Eyre      [Msg # 167836.4 Message 167836.4 replying to 167836.1 167836.1 ]    

Love is not a "thing". In the sense that a person is a "thing", God is a "thing". There cannot be direct equivalence.

True, as far as it goes. But love is a process or state or condition. Something like that. So is God. God is not a person, not theistic.

The common phrase is God is that or in whom or what I live and have my being. Acts 17:8

Cal, from West Michigan

All generalizations are false, including this one..

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     Posted Oct-30 8:53 PM   
summerson51
 
From  summerson51  Posts 36  Last Jan-14
To  Anna OG      [Msg # 167836.5 Message 167836.5 replying to 167836.2 167836.2 ]    

[[[[God is...and that is enough for me today..

Anna who believes in the attributes of God.]]]]

Have you ever read Genesis I and substituted Love for God?

"In the beginning Love created the heaven and the earth."  Helps me to understand God and Love better. 

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     Posted Oct-30 11:55 PM   
Anna OG
 
From  Anna OG  Posts 375  Last 4:14 PM
To  Patricia O.      [Msg # 167836.6 Message 167836.6 replying to 167836.3 167836.3 ]    

Patricia.

Let me get back on this..  has not been a stellar day health wise  I need time to regroup. and get centered again.  But attributes such a s Benevolence,  Merciful, , Ever Sustaining,   Compassionate, Wise, Etc   ( and boy is time to go back to bed.    TIred of feeling yucky.  )

Anna

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     Posted Oct-31 12:07 AM   
CalS (Staff)
 
From  CalS (Staff)  Posts 8597  Last 8:40 AM
To  Anna OG      [Msg # 167836.7 Message 167836.7 replying to 167836.6 167836.6 ]    
cg>>Let me get back on this..  has not been a stellar day health wise  I need time to regroup. and get centered again.  But attributes such a s Benevolence,  Merciful, , Ever Sustaining,   Compassionate, Wise, Etc   ( and boy is time to go back to bed.    TIred of feeling yucky.  ) <<

I hope you feel better soon.

--Cal
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     Posted Nov-3 9:42 AM   
Ivy [Staff]
 
From  Ivy [Staff]  Posts 18715  Last 5:44 PM
To  Anna OG      [Msg # 167836.8 Message 167836.8 replying to 167836.2 167836.2 ]    
Anna,

>> Anna who believes in the attributes of God.<<

Such as these ones?

http://www.islamicinvitationcentre.com/articles/Comparative_Religion/God/Allah_attributes.html


-Ivy


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#9 of 54

     Posted Nov-3 1:27 PM   
wakeupamerika
 
From  wakeupamerika  Posts 2069  Last Feb-8
To  Ivy [Staff]      [Msg # 167836.9 Message 167836.9 replying to 167836.8 167836.8 ]    

Such as these ones? <<<

 

Or these, ones?

The Attributes of God

 


~ noel
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#10 of 54

     Posted Nov-3 5:49 PM   
Anna OG
 
From  Anna OG  Posts 375  Last 4:14 PM
To  wakeupamerika      [Msg # 167836.10 Message 167836.10 replying to 167836.9 167836.9 ]    

Noel

yes! Exactly  thanks.

Anna

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#11 of 54

     Posted Nov-3 6:30 PM   
wakeupamerika
 
From  wakeupamerika  Posts 2069  Last Feb-8
To  Anna OG      [Msg # 167836.11 Message 167836.11 replying to 167836.10 167836.10 ]    

yes! Exactly  thanks. <<<

 

You're most welcome...
I like the Names of God also...you will also notice many of the names are His Attributes.

~ noel
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#12 of 54

     Posted Nov-3 8:00 PM   
Ivy [Staff]
 
From  Ivy [Staff]  Posts 18715  Last 5:44 PM
To  wakeupamerika      [Msg # 167836.12 Message 167836.12 replying to 167836.11 167836.11 ]    
Noel,

>> you will also notice many of the names are His Attributes.<<

This is the same in Islam, too.

-Ivy


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#13 of 54

     Posted Nov-4 6:47 AM   
wakeupamerika
 
From  wakeupamerika  Posts 2069  Last Feb-8
To  Ivy [Staff]      [Msg # 167836.13 Message 167836.13 replying to 167836.12 167836.12 ]    

This is the same in Islam, too.<<<

Quite a similar history to boot...


~ noel
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#14 of 54

     Posted Nov-4 9:51 AM   
Ivy [Staff]
 
From  Ivy [Staff]  Posts 18715  Last 5:44 PM
To  wakeupamerika      [Msg # 167836.14 Message 167836.14 replying to 167836.13 167836.13 ]    
Noel,

>> Quite a similar history to boot... <<

Very much so. 

-Ivy


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     Posted Nov-5 7:14 PM   
Calvin
 
From  Calvin  Posts 1957  Last Jan-15
To  wakeupamerika      [Msg # 167836.15 Message 167836.15 replying to 167836.13 167836.13 ]    

This is the same in Islam, too.<<<

Quite a similar history to boot...

I often wonder why Islam is not considered to be one of the Judeo-Christian religions. It is supposedly based on Judaism and is newer than Christianity.

Cal, from West Michigan

All generalizations are false, including this one..

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#16 of 54

     Posted Nov-5 7:29 PM   
Anna OG
 
From  Anna OG  Posts 375  Last 4:14 PM
To  Calvin      [Msg # 167836.16 Message 167836.16 replying to 167836.15 167836.15 ]    


Calvin

Many Christians believe in the Trinity of God, three person in one essense.

Judism and Islam bellieve In ONE God. Not three in one.

Anna

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     Posted Nov-5 10:15 PM   
Patricia O.
 
From  Patricia O.  Posts 11794  Last 12:08 PM
To  Calvin      [Msg # 167836.18 Message 167836.18 replying to 167836.15 167836.15 ]    
>>> I often wonder why Islam is not considered to be one of the Judeo-Christian religions. <<<
Because the term was coined by Christians, who generally want nothing to do with Islam.  Judaism, Christianity and Islam are sometimes collectively called the Abrahamic religions.

>>> It is supposedly based on Judaism . . . <<<
Not really -- the Qur'an includes (and corrects) scriptures from both the Old and New Testaments.


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     Posted Nov-5 10:55 PM   
George A
 
From  George A  Posts 11716  Last 10:16 AM
To  Calvin      [Msg # 167836.19 Message 167836.19 replying to 167836.15 167836.15 ]    
>>I often wonder why Islam is not considered to be one of the Judeo-Christian religions.<<

Maybe because it's neither Judeo nor Christian?<g>

>>It is supposedly based on Judaism and is newer than Christianity.<<

Well, neither one of them claim kinship, and some Xians (loudest being the fundagelicals) insist that Allah is not the JC god, either.




The method of "postulating" what we want has many advantages; 
they are the same as the advantages of theft over honest toil.

Bertrand Russell


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     Posted Nov-5 11:19 PM   
Calvin
 
From  Calvin  Posts 1957  Last Jan-15
To  Patricia O.      [Msg # 167836.20 Message 167836.20 replying to 167836.18 167836.18 ]    
>>> It is supposedly based on Judaism . . . <<<
Not really -- the Qur'an includes (and corrects) scriptures from both the Old and New Testaments.

QED. So it is based on Judaism AND Christianity with, undoubtedly, additions by Mohammed.

Cal, from West Michigan

All generalizations are false, including this one..

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