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Is it a Sin to be Fat?

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Mel [Staff]
by :   Mel [Staff]
7/28/09

votes :   62
Latest :   Dec-14
Q: Is it a Sin to be Fat?








#2 of 66

     Posted 7/28/09 12:32 AM   
Mel [Staff]
 
From  Mel [Staff]  Posts 19509  Last 9:53 AM
To  All      [Msg # 167906.2 Message 167906.2 replying to 167906.1 167906.1 ]    

Link to Netscape News:
Nearly 10 percent of health spending for obesity                              

WASHINGTON (AP) - Obesity's not just dangerous, it's expensive. New research shows medical spending averages $1,400 more a year for an obese person than for someone who's normal weight. Overall obesity-related health spending reaches $147 billion, double what it was nearly a decade ago, says the study published Monday by the journal Health Affairs.

Read more: Netscape News.


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#3 of 66

     Posted 7/28/09 8:31 AM   
Cassy B. [Staff]
 
From  Cassy B. [Staff]  Posts 15967  Last 8:26 AM
To  Mel [Staff]      [Msg # 167906.3 Message 167906.3 replying to 167906.1 167906.1 ]    
Mel,

I voted "other", because while I'm not aware of any specific religious injunctions in any religion to not get fat, there do tend to be injunctions against suicide... and morbid obesity is very unhealthy.

Cassy
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#4 of 66

     Posted 7/28/09 9:53 AM   
Sleepy
 
From  Sleepy  Posts 912  Last 8/10/09
To  All      [Msg # 167906.4 Message 167906.4 replying to 167906.2 167906.2 ]    
I'm going to go with the sins of the forefathers passed on to the 3rd or 4th generation. Not necessarily anything a fat individual has done. Only that he/she is left with the result and is burdened to overcome that sin or neglect.
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#5 of 66

     Posted 7/28/09 11:23 AM   
Calvin
 
From  Calvin  Posts 1957  Last Jan-15
To  Sleepy      [Msg # 167906.5 Message 167906.5 replying to 167906.4 167906.4 ]    

I'm going to go with the sins of the forefathers passed on to the 3rd or 4th generation.

Like learning bad eating habits? Yes, those are extremely hard to break. I once had the experience of eating at a buffet restaurant with 5 of my new sisters-in-law. I was aghast. Four of them ate like fat people. Bad choices and huge quantities. My wife did somewhat better, and had lost 100 pounds just before I met her. So you can rise above bad/learned habits.

I would feel like a sinner if I were any fatter. But would mainly feel unhealthy and unfit. I weigh 168 and am losing a pound a week on the Snickers diet.

Cal, from West Michigan

All generalizations are false, including this one..

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     Posted 7/28/09 12:19 PM   
Mel [Staff]
 
From  Mel [Staff]  Posts 19509  Last 9:53 AM
To  Calvin      [Msg # 167906.6 Message 167906.6 replying to 167906.5 167906.5 ]    

>>Four of them ate like fat people.<<

As opposed to what, the way the bald people eat?

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     Posted 7/28/09 2:03 PM   
dogskyd
 
From  dogskyd  Posts 740  Last 2:25 PM
To  Mel [Staff]      [Msg # 167906.7 Message 167906.7 replying to 167906.1 167906.1 ]    
I don't think it is a sin.  Rather, I think that the state of being overweight is a result of lack of awareness / attention to what one eats and how much they exercise.  The average American gains between 2 - 3 lbs. per year.  Although this may seem small, over a 20 year span it can be very significant.  Rather than laying a misplaced burden of guilt on overweight individuals, it would be better for our society to make a greater push towards increasing awareness on how daily changes can reduce the annual gains.  Hopefully more people will adopt these daily changes and the trend of increasing obesity will start to change direction.
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     Posted 7/28/09 10:33 PM   
JamesSFreeman
 
From  JamesSFreeman  Posts 1550  Last Jan-1
To  Mel [Staff]      [Msg # 167906.8 Message 167906.8 replying to 167906.1 167906.1 ]    
Define sin?


James Freeman
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#9 of 66

     Posted 7/28/09 10:39 PM   
Calvin
 
From  Calvin  Posts 1957  Last Jan-15
To  Mel [Staff]      [Msg # 167906.9 Message 167906.9 replying to 167906.6 167906.6 ]    

>>Four of them ate like fat people.<<

As opposed to what, the way the bald people eat?

As I said. Bad choices and quantities. The three of us who were not fat ate much more sensibly. As I said, it was shocking to me to watch.

Cal, from West Michigan

All generalizations are false, including this one..

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     Posted 7/28/09 11:37 PM   
Véronique
 
From  Véronique  Posts 3803  Last Jan-14
To  Mel [Staff]      [Msg # 167906.10 Message 167906.10 replying to 167906.1 167906.1 ]    
The word "sin" precludes my being able to answer with any choice but "other."

~ Véronique
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#11 of 66

     Posted 7/29/09 1:38 AM   
Mel [Staff]
 
From  Mel [Staff]  Posts 19509  Last 9:53 AM
To  JamesSFreeman      [Msg # 167906.11 Message 167906.11 replying to 167906.8 167906.8 ]    

>>Define sin?<<

I am still working on finding a good, consistent, reliable, working definition of the word sin.

How would you define sin?

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#12 of 66

     Posted 7/29/09 2:07 AM   
JamesSFreeman
 
From  JamesSFreeman  Posts 1550  Last Jan-1
To  Mel [Staff]      [Msg # 167906.12 Message 167906.12 replying to 167906.11 167906.11 ]    
//How would you define sin?//

A hard question.  The answer would probably involve religious bigotry.

Was it a sin for some murderous Moslems XXXXX to knock down my favorite bar at the top of the WTC?

Would it be a sin for the USA to level Mecca in response?

Would it be a sin for me, personally, to level Mecca in response?







Edited 7/30/09   by  Patricia O.
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     Posted 7/29/09 2:30 AM   
Mel [Staff]
 
From  Mel [Staff]  Posts 19509  Last 9:53 AM
To  dogskyd      [Msg # 167906.13 Message 167906.13 replying to 167906.7 167906.7 ]    

>>I don't think it is a sin.  Rather, I think that the state of being overweight is a result of lack of awareness / attention to what one eats and how much they exercise.  The average American gains between 2 - 3 lbs. per year.  Although this may seem small, over a 20 year span it can be very significant.  Rather than laying a misplaced burden of guilt on overweight individuals, it would be better for our society to make a greater push towards increasing awareness on how daily changes can reduce the annual gains.  Hopefully more people will adopt these daily changes and the trend of increasing obesity will start to change direction.<<



Sorry for the long backquote.
The phrase "misplaced burden of guilt" caught my eye.  It seems there are for than a few in this forum who associate sin with guilt.  I know that's not the topic a hand, but it does lead up to my question.

Do you believe it is morally wrong for a person to become overweight and, by doing so, add to the cost of taxes paid by his/her fellow Americans to pay of his/her additional Medicaid and Medicare expenses?


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     Posted 7/29/09 2:33 AM   
Mel [Staff]
 
From  Mel [Staff]  Posts 19509  Last 9:53 AM
To  Calvin      [Msg # 167906.14 Message 167906.14 replying to 167906.9 167906.9 ]    

>>Bad choices and quantities<<

The quantities I get.  I don't understand what you mean by "bad choices."

I am under the impression that a baked potatoes with sour cream and butter, a salad with salad dressing, and a hamburger with fries are all bad choices.

Can you provide us with some examples of what you consider a bad choice when it comes to what a person should eat?

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#15 of 66

     Posted 7/29/09 7:58 AM   
George A
 
From  George A  Posts 11716  Last 10:16 AM
To  Mel [Staff]      [Msg # 167906.15 Message 167906.15 replying to 167906.14 167906.14 ]    
>>I am under the impression that a baked potatoes with sour cream and butter, a salad with salad dressing, and a hamburger with fries are all bad choices.<<

They're great choices, but while I like burgers, a well-marbled pound of ribeye or porterhouse would be my preference. 

Hold the fries, as I've got a half-stick of butter, a dollop of sour cream, grated cheese and crumbled bacon on my extra large baked potato.

Two or three yeast rolls, slathered in butter too -- naturally.

Finish it off with a pint of chocolate Hagen-Daaz, and it's a fine meal.

Burrrrp!

Of course, that would be okay if I were still an active teenager, easily burning 5 or 6 K calories daily  . . .

My entire panel of doctors would scream in  horror, with the black mini-skirted PCP leading, while the cardio and the diabetes doc sing harmony.  

I do occasionally like to tell them that's my normal diet, just to get a rise.  


God is love?

"Behold the day of the Lord comes, cruel, with wrath and fierce anger...Whoever is found will be thrust through and whoever is caught will fall by the sword. Their infants will be dashed in pieces before their eyes, their houses will be plundered and their wives ravished."
  Christian god-Isaiah 13:9, 13:15


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     Posted 7/29/09 9:23 AM   
Calvin
 
From  Calvin  Posts 1957  Last Jan-15
To  Mel [Staff]      [Msg # 167906.16 Message 167906.16 replying to 167906.14 167906.14 ]    

Can you provide us with some examples of what you consider a bad choice when it comes to what a person should eat?

You gave some good examples. A baked potato is healthful. When you add cream, it becomes less healthful. Peanut butter is my favorite topping. It is unsaturated fat and healthful.

Basically, eat refined products (such as white bread and sugar), saturated fat, and salt in moderation. A fat person will typically load most foods, like vegetables, with fatty toppings and dips. Thereby multiplying the calories quite a bit.

Cal, from West Michigan

All generalizations are false, including this one..

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     Posted 7/29/09 3:58 PM   
dogskyd
 
From  dogskyd  Posts 740  Last 2:25 PM
To  Mel [Staff]      [Msg # 167906.17 Message 167906.17 replying to 167906.13 167906.13 ]    

The phrase "misplaced burden of guilt" caught my eye.  It seems there are for than a few in this forum who associate sin with guilt.  I know that's not the topic a hand, but it does lead up to my question.

I grew up in a Christian environment and heard time after time that we are all guilty of sin and only Jesus can deliver us from it.  Thus sin and guilt always seemed to go hand in hand.  Pehaps this is a possible explanation of why the two are often linked together.

Do you believe it is morally wrong for a person to become overweight and, by doing so, add to the cost of taxes paid by his/her fellow Americans to pay of his/her additional Medicaid and Medicare expenses?

I really don't consider it my business what another individual does on their own by personal choice unless these choices impact others.  So, if one chooses to have an unhealthy diet and not exercise it is not my concern.  If their actions do, however, cause public spending on health to be unproportionally large, then it does become a valid issue of debate.  In this particular situation it seems that additional taxes to compensate for the higher expenses should either be levied on the overweight, or on products that contribute to their weight.

On a sad side note, the overweight oftern get the short end of the stick when it comes to social security.  They pay into it all their lives and then die early getting fewer distributions back after retirement than others.  So, perhaps it all evens out in the end.

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     Posted 7/29/09 8:00 PM   
Mark Mc
 
From  Mark Mc  Posts 12159  Last 6:35 AM
To  Calvin      [Msg # 167906.18 Message 167906.18 replying to 167906.16 167906.16 ]    
>>>A baked potato is healthful.<<<

Just to add an opinion not already in evidence: Not according to the cardiologist that introduced the South Beach Diet.  He describes them as the worst form of potato, with all potatoes being bad for you if ingested more often than as infrequently as possible.

>>>When you add cream, it becomes less healthful.<<< 

He disagrees with that, too.  :)

>>>Peanut butter is my favorite topping<<<

This is fine in moderation, but not necessarily on top of a baked tater. :)

>>>A fat person will typically load most foods, like vegetables, with fatty toppings and dips. Thereby multiplying the calories quite a bit.<<<

While calories and fats are very important, it's just as - or more important - to watch out for white sugar (disguised in many processed foods), white flour and white pasta.  All of which tend to make the pancreas overproduce insuln and cause folks to crave even more processed food-type of carbs sooner. 

I think most of the diet gurus will agree that processed food is probably the main culprit in obesity.  Especially in either sweet or salty forms.

Just about anything made from scratch is better for you than what you buy from a manufacturer.  Now that probably fies in the face of the cardiologist's claim concerning baked potatoes, but I think he's trying to unaddict people from food that is essentially pre-digested.  Evidently, baking a potato has that effect chemically.  

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     Posted 7/30/09 10:04 AM   
Calvin
 
From  Calvin  Posts 1957  Last Jan-15
To  Mark Mc      [Msg # 167906.19 Message 167906.19 replying to 167906.18 167906.18 ]    

>>>A baked potato is healthful.<<<

Just to add an opinion not already in evidence: Not according to the cardiologist that introduced the South Beach Diet.
 

My wife lost 100 pounds on the South Beach Diet about 5 years ago. I have read the book and consider it  marginally fraudulent. Baked potato is the very best food for controlling hunger.  The SBD recommends avoiding high glycemic index foods, like potatoes. That is unnecessary. It recommends high fat foots, which are satisfying, but dangerous because it is too easy to get excess calories. It also recommends high protein consumption, which might be satisfying, but the average American already gets twice as much protein as he/she needs. And our proteins foods usually also contain saturated fat.

I can eat small amounts of candy and reduced fat ice cream because I also include glucose tolerance factor in my diet. GTF is found in cheese, whole wheat, black pepper, and liver.

Last night my wife shared her Dairy Queen Heath Bar Flurry with me. I would never buy that much ice milk for myself! The sugar load in it apparently sent my blood sugar up because it made me feel nervous and edgy. I successfully countered the feeling by eating a small amount of cheese and a reduced fat wholewheat Triscuit.

Peanut butter is my favorite topping for baked potatoes, bread, crackers, and (vege) hot dogs. RealAge, this week, recommended PB for heart health because of the nature of its fats and its other valuable nutrients.

I think most of the diet gurus will agree that processed food is probably the main culprit in obesity.  Especially in either sweet or salty forms.

Just about anything made from scratch is better for you than what you buy from a manufacturer

Yes, that is because refined foods are calorie dense and nutrient poor. Removing nutrients make them keep longer on the store shelves. What is left in just makes you more hungry, so you buy more.

Cal, from West Michigan

All generalizations are false, including this one..

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     Posted 7/30/09 10:32 AM   
George A
 
From  George A  Posts 11716  Last 10:16 AM
To  Calvin      [Msg # 167906.20 Message 167906.20 replying to 167906.19 167906.19 ]    
>>Yes, that is because refined foods are calorie dense and nutrient poor. Removing nutrients make them keep longer on the store shelves. What is left in just makes you more hungry, so you buy more.<<

What is a "refined food" and precisely what "nutrients" are being removed to improve shelf life?


God is love?

"Behold the day of the Lord comes, cruel, with wrath and fierce anger...Whoever is found will be thrust through and whoever is caught will fall by the sword. Their infants will be dashed in pieces before their eyes, their houses will be plundered and their wives ravished."
  Christian god-Isaiah 13:9, 13:15


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