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Using God's Name

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#1 of 915

     Posted Oct-22 8:31 PM   
Tobster E
 
From  Tobster E  Posts 1789  Last Jan-2
To  truthsearcher27      [Msg # 168341.1 ]    

>>At least the old Greek and Roman Gods had names. What's the name of the biblical God? The one before Jesus.<<

We don’t use G-d’s proper name out of respect.

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#2 of 915

     Posted Oct-23 11:09 AM   
truthsearcher27
 
From  truthsearcher27  Posts 215  Last Jan-1
To  Tobster E      [Msg # 168341.2 Message 168341.2 replying to 168341.1 168341.1 ]    

>> We don’t use G-d’s proper name out of respect. <<

With all due respect for your beliefs, I have to wonder where that idea of respect for IMO, an absent or mythical God came from.

Respecting a God is an interesting idea. But for me, I respect people, that is as long as they respect themselves and care for and respect others.

Again, with all do respect for nyone's beliefs, I think they're mostly religious beliefs because they hope to not offend their God. To me it's a matter of assuaging their mortality.

Just my opinion. Thanks

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#3 of 915

     Posted Oct-23 1:01 PM   
Mel [Staff]
 
From  Mel [Staff]  Posts 19512  Last 9:53 AM
To  truthsearcher27      [Msg # 168341.3 Message 168341.3 replying to 168341.2 168341.2 ]    

>>With all due respect for your beliefs, I have to wonder where that idea of respect for IMO, an absent or mythical God came from.<<

That's a little personal isn't it?
After all, you posted that beliefs are personal and you refuse to exchange messages with people who ask and comment on your beliefs.
Why don't you show the same courtesy to others that you demand others give you?

http://community.compuserve.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?msg=168247.54&nav=messages&webtag=ws-religion#a54

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#4 of 915

     Posted Oct-23 2:00 PM   
Tobster E
 
From  Tobster E  Posts 1789  Last Jan-2
To  truthsearcher27      [Msg # 168341.4 Message 168341.4 replying to 168341.2 168341.2 ]    

>>Respecting a God is an interesting idea. But for me, I respect people, that is as long as they respect themselves and care for and respect others.

Again, with all do respect for nyone's beliefs, I think they're mostly religious beliefs because they hope to not offend their God. To me it's a matter of assuaging their mortality.<<

If course, we try not to offend G-d, just like we try not to offend people who we have respect for.

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#5 of 915

     Posted Oct-23 4:25 PM   
truthsearcher27
 
From  truthsearcher27  Posts 215  Last Jan-1
To  Tobster E      [Msg # 168341.5 Message 168341.5 replying to 168341.4 168341.4 ]    

>> If course, we try not to offend G-d, just like we try not to offend people who we have respect for. <<

I do get where you're coming from Tobster. However, I just cannot accept that an all-powerful, omnipotent, eternal Father (caps to show respect), is offendable just like any emotional human being. And to compound that thought, that appears to me to go along with the biblical belief that God is a "jealous God." Another human emotion? Makes absolutely no sense to me.

Thanks.

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#6 of 915

     Posted Oct-23 4:33 PM   
Tobster E
 
From  Tobster E  Posts 1789  Last Jan-2
To  truthsearcher27      [Msg # 168341.6 Message 168341.6 replying to 168341.5 168341.5 ]    

>>I do get where you're coming from Tobster. However, I just cannot accept that an all-powerful, omnipotent, eternal Father (caps to show respect), is offendable just like any emotional human being. And to compound that thought, that appears to me to go along with the biblical belief that God is a "jealous God." Another human emotion? Makes absolutely no sense to me.<<

I am not too sure I disagree with you, but that is the tradition. Just like I type G-d instead of all three letters. I grew up being taught that, so I don’t.

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#7 of 915

     Posted Oct-23 4:38 PM   
Calvin
 
From  Calvin  Posts 1957  Last Jan-15
To  truthsearcher27      [Msg # 168341.7 Message 168341.7 replying to 168341.2 168341.2 ]    

With all due respect for your beliefs, I have to wonder where that idea of respect for IMO, an absent or mythical God came from.

That is a little strange IMHO. Muslims also do not know or say His name. Christians feel free to say God, Jehovah, Jesus, and Holy Spirit.

Cal, from West Michigan

All generalizations are false, including this one..

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#8 of 915

     Posted Oct-23 4:47 PM   
Calvin
 
From  Calvin  Posts 1957  Last Jan-15
To  Tobster E      [Msg # 168341.8 Message 168341.8 replying to 168341.6 168341.6 ]    

Just like I type G-d instead of all three letters. I grew up being taught that, so I don’t.

You fooled me! I assumed it was so automatic profanity checkers would not flag the messages. I never heard on not typing God's title. AFAIK His name is "I Am"

Cal, from West Michigan

All generalizations are false, including this one..

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#9 of 915

     Posted Oct-23 5:00 PM   
Tobster E
 
From  Tobster E  Posts 1789  Last Jan-2
To  Calvin      [Msg # 168341.9 Message 168341.9 replying to 168341.8 168341.8 ]    

>>You fooled me! I assumed it was so automatic profanity checkers would not flag the messages. I never heard on not typing God's title. AFAIK His name is "I Am"<<

No, I never considered that profanity checkers would flag G-d. And, I am what I will be, I think that is closer.

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#10 of 915

     Posted Oct-23 5:04 PM   
Calvin
 
From  Calvin  Posts 1957  Last Jan-15
To  Tobster E      [Msg # 168341.10 Message 168341.10 replying to 168341.9 168341.9 ]    

 And, I am what I will be, I think that is closer.

I think a modern translation would be "I'm me". Which is what anybody might say.

Cal, from West Michigan

All generalizations are false, including this one..

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#11 of 915

     Posted Oct-23 5:07 PM   
Tobster E
 
From  Tobster E  Posts 1789  Last Jan-2
To  Calvin      [Msg # 168341.11 Message 168341.11 replying to 168341.10 168341.10 ]    

>>I think a modern translation would be "I'm me". Which is what anybody might say.<<

It’s a big difference, and I don’t agree. What the Hebrew says the other.

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#12 of 915

     Posted Oct-23 6:40 PM   
Patricia O.
 
From  Patricia O.  Posts 11795  Last 12:08 PM
To  Tobster E      [Msg # 168341.12 Message 168341.12 replying to 168341.9 168341.9 ]    
>>>  And, I am what I will be, I think that is closer. <<<
I was under the impression, from other discussions, that the tenses of the sentence were ambiguous, and that a variety of translations were almost equally valid:   I am what I was; I was what I will be, etc etc.
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#13 of 915

     Posted Oct-23 7:17 PM   
Tobster E
 
From  Tobster E  Posts 1789  Last Jan-2
To  Patricia O.      [Msg # 168341.13 Message 168341.13 replying to 168341.12 168341.12 ]    

>>I was under the impression, from other discussions, that the tenses of the sentence were ambiguous, and that a variety of translations were almost equally valid: I am what I was; I was what I will be, etc etc.<<

If you like, I could explain the Hebrew grammar involved, but it won’t be until after Shabbat. This is my last check of the night.

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#14 of 915

     Posted Oct-23 10:49 PM   
Mel [Staff]
 
From  Mel [Staff]  Posts 19512  Last 9:53 AM
To  Patricia O.      [Msg # 168341.14 Message 168341.14 replying to 168341.12 168341.12 ]    

>>I was under the impression, from other discussions, that the tenses of the sentence were ambiguous, and that a variety of translations were almost equally valid:   I am what I was; I was what I will be, etc etc.<<

I've was taught the ambiguity was big part of the message. 
That is, the words read "I am what I was," "I am who I am," and "I am who I will be" all at the same time and therefore seem to imply an eternal and unchanging God.


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#15 of 915

     Posted Oct-24 8:13 AM   
Calvin
 
From  Calvin  Posts 1957  Last Jan-15
To  Tobster E      [Msg # 168341.15 Message 168341.15 replying to 168341.13 168341.13 ]    

it won’t be until after Shabbat.

What's the difference between Shabbat and Sabbath?

Cal, from West Michigan

All generalizations are false, including this one..

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#16 of 915

     Posted Oct-24 8:20 AM   
Calvin
 
From  Calvin  Posts 1957  Last Jan-15
To  Tobster E      [Msg # 168341.16 Message 168341.16 replying to 168341.1 168341.1 ]    

We don’t use G-d’s proper name out of respect.

I don't understand how God could have a proper name. For example, the tree in my yard does not have a proper name. I suppose I might call it Fred. <g>

A proper name is something your parents give you. Who is the mother and father of God??

My proper name is Calvin but my acquaintances call me Cal, not out of respect. Shortened nicknames are an English speaker's custom.

Cal, from West Michigan

All generalizations are false, including this one..

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#17 of 915

     Posted Oct-24 9:22 AM   
Gary Z
 
From  Gary Z  Posts 11496  Last 5:50 PM
To  Calvin      [Msg # 168341.17 Message 168341.17 replying to 168341.16 168341.16 ]    
Calvin:
»»   I don't understand how God could have a proper name. For example, the tree in my yard does not have a proper name. I suppose I might call it Fred.

Within the Christian tradition, there are two names believed to be those of God.

The first is "'ol Harold."  (We sing, "Hark, 'ol Harold's angels sing..." at Christmas time.)

The second is "Andy."  (We sing, "Andy walks with me, Andy talks with me...")

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#18 of 915

     Posted Oct-24 9:56 AM   
Cassy B. [Staff]
 
From  Cassy B. [Staff]  Posts 15968  Last 8:26 AM
To  Calvin      [Msg # 168341.18 Message 168341.18 replying to 168341.15 168341.15 ]    
Calvin,

What's the difference between Shabbat and Sabbath?

The same as the difference between Halloween and Hallowe'en.

Dialect.

<grin>

Cassy

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#19 of 915

     Posted Oct-24 10:20 AM   
Joyce G.
 
From  Joyce G.  Posts 649  Last Feb-8
To  Tobster E      [Msg # 168341.19 Message 168341.19 replying to 168341.1 168341.1 ]    

>>At least the old Greek and Roman Gods had names. What's the name of the biblical God? The one before Jesus.<<

>>We don’t use G-d’s proper name out of respect.

Out of curiousity here, but your statement intrigued me. What is God's proper name that isn't used out of respect?

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#20 of 915

     Posted Oct-24 10:29 AM   
Joyce G.
 
From  Joyce G.  Posts 649  Last Feb-8
To  Calvin      [Msg # 168341.20 Message 168341.20 replying to 168341.7 168341.7 ]    

>>Muslims also do not know or say His name.

Could you explain why? Also, what name do they use? I know they refer the name "Allah" in that it is the Arabic language that means God.

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