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Backlash Against Catholics?

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#1 of 90

     Posted Nov-6 11:09 PM   
Anna OG
 
From  Anna OG  Posts 378  Last 10:23 PM
To  All      [Msg # 168409.1 ]    

"Will there be backlash against the Catholic Church over the killing in Orlando Florida? The shooter was Hispanic and probably Catholic. Are we in danger from Catholics again? Are they less stable than say Baptists? Why would a Catholic kill people who belong to a variety of religions. Did he feel his Faith was threatened by his loss of job? Did he feel discriminated against because he was Catholic. Did he blame his loss of job on that?

ARE Catholics planning to take over the Country? "

OK All this is farfetched. But with the shooting in Fort Hood one must draw a parallel. The truth is that in the US Religion plays little role in our lives. We do not report on a person's religious beliefs when a crime is committed. We did do this at one time. I remember within my lifetime when Catholics were seen as a possible danger. John Kennedy was a Catholic President, people were just as frightened of his Presidency as they are President Obama. There were all kinds 'Roman Catholc conspiracy issues, the Pope wants to take over America/ That was just forty odd years ago. I know people here in NE Florida who still fear the Catholic Church.

Your thoughts?

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     Posted Nov-6 11:16 PM   
Patricia O.
 
From  Patricia O.  Posts 11797  Last 12:08 PM
To  Anna OG      [Msg # 168409.2 Message 168409.2 replying to 168409.1 168409.1 ]    
>>> OK All this is farfetched. <<<
Extremely.
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#3 of 90

     Posted Nov-7 12:10 AM   
Anna OG
 
From  Anna OG  Posts 378  Last 10:23 PM
To  Patricia O.      [Msg # 168409.3 Message 168409.3 replying to 168409.2 168409.2 ]    

Patricia

Re farfetched. This is the kind of stuff going over the internet about the Fort Hood shooting. Change Catholic to Musim and that is what people are saying.

Yet as I saId, I do remember when people in the US feared the Catholic Church the same way.

Anna

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     Posted Nov-7 1:59 AM   
Dave W
 
From  Dave W  Posts 1604  Last 2:01 PM
To  Anna OG      [Msg # 168409.4 Message 168409.4 replying to 168409.1 168409.1 ]    

 John Kennedy was a Catholic President, people were just as frightened of his Presidency as they are President Obama. There were all kinds 'Roman Catholc conspiracy issues, the Pope wants to take over America/ That was just forty odd years ago. I know people here in NE Florida who still fear the Catholic Church.

 

I just got an Email that said Obama is a white Catholic who was born in New Jersey, and he loves America!

Democracy don't rule the world, You'd better get that in your head; This world is ruled by violence, But I guess that's better left unsaid.
Bob Dylan
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#5 of 90

     Posted Nov-7 4:00 PM   
redshift
 
From  redshift  Posts 347  Last Nov-28
To  Anna OG      [Msg # 168409.5 Message 168409.5 replying to 168409.1 168409.1 ]    

Your thoughts?

Why do you think people were afraid of Catholics? After all their historic record has been exemplary; peaceful, cheekturning, lovers of free speech, etc.?

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     Posted Nov-7 10:56 PM   
Anna OG
 
From  Anna OG  Posts 378  Last 10:23 PM
To  redshift      [Msg # 168409.6 Message 168409.6 replying to 168409.5 168409.5 ]    (Unread)

Redshift

Can I get back to you tomorrow. I am beat. Just went to the movies and saw "The men who Stare at Goats" V. funny.

RE >>Why do you think people were afraid of Catholics? After all their historic record has been exemplary; peaceful, cheekturning, lovers of free speech, etc.?>>>

ROFLg! Sure right, keep thinking that. LOL!

Anna

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#7 of 90

     Posted Nov-20 1:57 AM   
mlkoutsky
 
From  mlkoutsky  Posts 754  Last Feb-3
To  Anna OG      [Msg # 168409.7 Message 168409.7 replying to 168409.6 168409.6 ]    

<<<<ROFLg! Sure right, keep thinking that. LOL!>>>>

Are aware that during the reign of Queen Elizabeth I of England more Catholics were killed than in the 400 years of Catholic Inquisition in all of Europe? History is writtn by the winners. Catholics were feared because they might have tried to get back their lands and possessions that the Protestant kings of Europe confiscated and distributed to their friends. Or get revenge for all the blood shed that went on in that era. Where else can you murder priests and rape nuns in the name of the Holy Book?

The reason many people "protest" our form of Christianity is they really don't understand it or have been taught to hate or ridicule the gifts of G-d. Or they feel that they fall short (like who doesn't...but we are all called to try to be Holy, like the Lord is Holy.)

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#8 of 90

     Posted Nov-20 7:11 PM   
draypoker
 
From  draypoker  Posts 10200  Last 8:27 PM
To  mlkoutsky      [Msg # 168409.8 Message 168409.8 replying to 168409.7 168409.7 ]    

The reason many people "protest" our form of Christianity is they really don't understand it or have been taught to hate or ridicule the gifts of G-d. Or they feel that they fall short (like who doesn't...but we are all called to try to be Holy, like the Lord is Holy.)
I think you will find that many people know all too much about Catholicism and don't like what they see: its totalitarianism, its unhealthy attitude to sex (paedophile priests); its terrorising its unfortunate believers.

In my case I really dislike its distortion of history.


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#9 of 90

     Posted Nov-21 12:50 AM   
mlkoutsky
 
From  mlkoutsky  Posts 754  Last Feb-3
To  draypoker      [Msg # 168409.9 Message 168409.9 replying to 168409.8 168409.8 ]    

<<<<I think you will find that many people know all too much about Catholicism and don't like what they see: its totalitarianism, its unhealthy attitude to sex (paedophile priests); its terrorising its unfortunate believers.

In my case I really dislike its distortion of history.>>>>

I've been a Catholic all my life, Draypoker, and I've never met one of those pedaphile priests that you speak of. As for Totalitarianism, I think it was Jesus who said, "You are either with me or against me(hot or cold). If you are lukewarm, I will spit you out of my mouth." So, He's not for middle of the road types: Kind of totalitarian, perhaps? Now, I may not be able to spell well, but your inability to get the right persons and events within a few centuries has been observed often, so, who has a distortion of History? And, as for sex, we might disaprove of it before marriage, but enjoy it regularly afterwards and have the kids to prove it...Good things come to those who wait, they say...

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#10 of 90

     Posted Nov-21 3:10 AM   
Mel [Staff]
 
From  Mel [Staff]  Posts 19516  Last 8:29 PM
To  mlkoutsky      [Msg # 168409.10 Message 168409.10 replying to 168409.9 168409.9 ]    

>>I've been a Catholic all my life, Draypoker, and I've never met one of those pedaphile priests that you speak of.<<

How do you know this to be true?

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#11 of 90

     Posted Nov-21 8:46 AM   
draypoker
 
From  draypoker  Posts 10200  Last 8:27 PM
To  mlkoutsky      [Msg # 168409.11 Message 168409.11 replying to 168409.9 168409.9 ]    

As for Totalitarianism, I think it was Jesus who said, "You are either with me or against me(hot or cold). If you are lukewarm, I will spit you out of my mouth."

I am with Thomas Jefferson. Jesus was an interesting person and we should pay attention to his actual philosophy (and, I would add, to people like him). The Catholic Church derives from Paul who had no connection of any kind with Jesus. Whether those words were spoken by Jesus or not is open to conjecture. I suspect, along with Jefferson, that they are the self-serving expression of a totalitarian party of priests.


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#12 of 90

     Posted Nov-21 12:36 PM   
CalS (Staff)
 
From  CalS (Staff)  Posts 8598  Last 8:40 AM
To  Mel [Staff]      [Msg # 168409.12 Message 168409.12 replying to 168409.10 168409.10 ]    
mlk>>I've been a Catholic all my life, Draypoker, and I've never met one of those pedaphile priests that you speak of.<<

M>>How do you know this to be true?<<

Oh, you didn't know that pedaphile priests go around with big signs that say "Hey everyone! I'm a pedaphile!!" That's why there's never any shock and surprise when it's discovered that a priest has been fooling with some of the kids!

Oh, wait.

--Cal
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#13 of 90

     Posted Nov-21 12:41 PM   
Ron
 
From  Ron  Posts 3215  Last 9:43 AM
To  Anna OG      [Msg # 168409.13 Message 168409.13 replying to 168409.1 168409.1 ]    

>>OK All this is farfetched. But with the shooting in Fort Hood one must draw a parallel.<<

There is no parallel.  There is no evidence that the murder case you cite was motivated by Catholicism. I have not heard of a single case in my lifetime where a Catholic went around killing believe because he thought it was his Catholic duty.

No one cares about all the crap your cell phone does.  You didn't invent it.  You just bought it.  Anyone can do that. -- From stuffmydadsays.com

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#14 of 90

     Posted Nov-21 12:44 PM   
CalS (Staff)
 
From  CalS (Staff)  Posts 8598  Last 8:40 AM
To  Ron      [Msg # 168409.14 Message 168409.14 replying to 168409.13 168409.13 ]    
>>There is no parallel.  There is no evidence that the murder case you cite was motivated by Catholicism. I have not heard of a single case in my lifetime where a Catholic went around killing believe because he thought it was his Catholic duty.<<

Not even in Northern Ireland? You must live a sheltered life.

--Cal
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#15 of 90

     Posted Nov-21 12:46 PM   
Ron
 
From  Ron  Posts 3215  Last 9:43 AM
To  CalS (Staff)      [Msg # 168409.15 Message 168409.15 replying to 168409.14 168409.14 ]    

>>Not even in Northern Ireland?<<

That's a political dispute.

No one cares about all the crap your cell phone does.  You didn't invent it.  You just bought it.  Anyone can do that. -- From stuffmydadsays.com

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#16 of 90

     Posted Nov-21 12:58 PM   
CalS (Staff)
 
From  CalS (Staff)  Posts 8598  Last 8:40 AM
To  Ron      [Msg # 168409.16 Message 168409.16 replying to 168409.15 168409.15 ]    

>>Not even in Northern Ireland?<<

>>That's a political dispute.<<

It may be a political dispute at the level of the leaders, but the people on the ground were killing each other specifically because they were Papists or Proddies, not necessarily for any high-falutin' political reasons.

--Cal
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#17 of 90

     Posted Nov-21 1:04 PM   
Ron
 
From  Ron  Posts 3215  Last 9:43 AM
To  CalS (Staff)      [Msg # 168409.17 Message 168409.17 replying to 168409.16 168409.16 ]    

>>It may be a political dispute at the level of the leaders, but the people on the ground were killing each other specifically because they were Papists or Proddies, not necessarily for any high-falutin' political reasons.<<

The killing by an Hispanic who is "probably" Catholic (according to the poster) has nothing to do with Northern ireland. So again, there is no parallel.

No one cares about all the crap your cell phone does.  You didn't invent it.  You just bought it.  Anyone can do that. -- From stuffmydadsays.com

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#18 of 90

     Posted Nov-21 1:11 PM   
Zivatar
 
From  Zivatar  Posts 1183  Last 8:12 PM
To  CalS (Staff)      [Msg # 168409.18 Message 168409.18 replying to 168409.12 168409.12 ]    
>Oh, you didn't know that pedaphile priests go around with big signs that say "Hey everyone! I'm a pedaphile!!" That's why there's never any shock and surprise when it's discovered that a priest has been fooling with some of the kids!

Oh, wait.<

Whenever accusations of sexual misconduct surface against a Catholic priest, those accusations are widely bruited about, mostly by shysters and leftists, and the noise inevitably reaches the ears of even devout Catholics.  Mlkoutsky can speak for herself, but I suspect she means that she's never heard that any of the priests she's known have been accused of pedophilia, and assumes (probably correctly) that she would have heard had such accusations been made.  Catholics do gossip, you know, and while mlkoutsky may not contribute, she can hardly avoid hearing it.
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#19 of 90

     Posted Nov-21 1:16 PM   
CalS (Staff)
 
From  CalS (Staff)  Posts 8598  Last 8:40 AM
To  Ron      [Msg # 168409.19 Message 168409.19 replying to 168409.17 168409.17 ]    
>>The killing by an Hispanic who is "probably" Catholic (according to the poster) has nothing to do with Northern ireland. So again, there is no parallel. <<

I never said there was. I simply said that, contrary to your assertion, there have been cases in your lifetime where Catholics went around killing because they thought it was their Catholic duty.

--Cal
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#20 of 90

     Posted Nov-21 1:31 PM   
Ron
 
From  Ron  Posts 3215  Last 9:43 AM
To  CalS (Staff)      [Msg # 168409.20 Message 168409.20 replying to 168409.19 168409.19 ]    

>>I never said there was. I simply said that, contrary to your assertion, there have been cases in your lifetime where Catholics went around killing because they thought it was their Catholic duty.<<

Some people want desparately to try to equate Muslim fanaticism with a perceived Christian fanaticism.  It's a fatuous error.  The dispute in Nothern Ireland is over British occupied land.  No preist any where in the world is going around exhorting Catholics to kill non-believers.

No one cares about all the crap your cell phone does.  You didn't invent it.  You just bought it.  Anyone can do that. -- From stuffmydadsays.com

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