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The Obama Administration

Another Bush Admin. Member Guilty!

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#15 of 75

     Posted 3/25/07 1:01 PM   
Dave Tucker - SL-
 
From  Dave Tucker - SL-  Posts 20258  Last 7/8/09
To  bilkaypeters      [Msg # 197941.15 Message 197941.15 replying to 197941.7 197941.7 ]    

the Republicans got a long way to go before they can catch up to the previous administrations number of people convicted of many things in our government, but who's counting.?????>>>>

You are talking of the Regan administration which holds the record for convictions of administration officials charged with offenses while in office, aren't you?

"By the end of his term, 138 Reagan administration officials had been convicted, had been indicted, or had been the subject of official investigations for official misconduct and/or criminal violations. In terms of number of officials involved, the record of his administration was the worst ever."

Here are a few.

1. Lyn Nofziger--White House Press Secretary - Convicted on charges of illegal lobbying of White House in Wedtech scandal. The lobbying would not have been illegal had he not been White House Press Secretary.

2. Michael Deaver, Reagan's Chief of Staff, received three years' probation and was fined one hundred thousand dollars after being convicted for lying to a congressional subcommittee and a federal grand jury about his lobbying activities after leaving the White House. Same as with Lyn Nofziger.

3. James Watt, Reagan's Secretary of the Interior was indicted on 41 felony counts for using connections at the Department of Housing and Urban Development to help his private clients seek federal funds for housing projects in Maryland, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands. Watt conceded that he had received $500,000 from clients who were granted very favorable housing contracts after he had intervened on their behalf. Watt was eventually sentenced to five years in prison and 500 hours of community service.

4. John Poindexter, Reagan's national security advisor, guilty of five criminal counts involving conspiracy to mislead Congress, obstructing congressional inquiries, lying to lawmakers, used "high national security" to mask deceit and wrong-doing...

5. Richard Secord pleaded guilty to a felony charge of lying to Congress over Iran-Contra. Appointed by William Casey to assist Oliver North.

6. Elliott Abrams was appointed by President Reagan in 1985 to head the State Department's Latin American Bureau. He was closely linked with ex-White House aide Lt. Col. Oliver North's covert movement to aid the Contras. Working for North, Abrams coordinated inter-agency support for the contras and helped solicit illegal funding from foreign powers as well as domestic contributors. Abrams agreed to cooperate with Iran-Contra investigators and pled guilty to two charges reduced to misdemeanors. He was sentenced in 1991 to two years probation and 100 hours of community service but was pardoned by President George Bush...

7. Robert C. McFarlane, Reagan's National Security Advisor, pled guilty to four misdemeanors and was sentenced to two years probation and 200 hours of community service. He was also fined $20,000. He received a blanket pardon from President George Bush...

8. Alan D. Fiers was the Chief of the Central Intelligence Agency's Central American Task Force. Fiers pled guilty in 1991 to two counts of withholding information from congress about Oliver North's activities and the diversion of Iran arms sale money to aid the Contras. He was sentenced to one year of probation and 100 hours of community service. Alan Fiers received a blanket pardon for his crimes from President Bush...

9. Thomas G. Clines: convicted of four counts of tax-related offenses for failing to report income from the operations;

10. Carl R. Channel - Office of Public Diplomacy , partner in International Business- first person convicted in the Iran/Contra scandal, pleaded guilty of one count of defrauding the United States

11. Richard R. Miller - Partner with Oliver North in IBC, a Office of Public Diplomacy front group, convicted of conspiracy to defraud the United States.

12. Frank Gomez

13.. Donald Fortier

14. Clair George was Chief of the CIA's Division of Covert Operations under President Reagan. George was convicted of lying to two congressional committees in 1986. George faced a maximum five year federal prison sentence and a $20,000 fine for each of the two convictions. Jurors cleared George of five other charges including two counts of lying to a federal grand jury. Clair George received a blanket pardon for his crimes from President George Bush...

15. Rita Lavelle was indicted, tried and convicted of lying to Congress and served three months of a six-month prison sentence.

16. Philip Winn - Assistant HUD Secretary. Pleaded guilty to one count of scheming to give illegal gratuities.

17. Thomas Demery - Assistand HUD Secretary - pleaded guilty to steering HUD subsidies to politically connected donors.

18. Deborah Gore Dean - executive assistant to Samuel Pierce - indicted on thirteen counts, three counts of conspiracy, one count of accepting an illegal gratuity, four counts of perjury, and five counts of concealing articles. She was convicted on twelve accounts. She appealed and prevailed on several accounts but the convictions for conspiracy remained.

19. Catalina Villaponda - Former US Treasurer

20. Joseph A. Strauss - Accepting kickbacks from developers

21. Oliver North - He was indicted on sixteen felony counts and on May 4, 1989, he was convicted of three: accepting an illegal gratuity, aiding and abetting in the obstruction of a congressional inquiry, and destruction of documents (by his secretary, Fawn Hall, on his instructions). He was sentenced by U.S. District Judge Gerhard A. Gesell on July 5, 1989, to a three-year suspended prison term, two years probation, $150,000 in fines, and 1,200 hours community service. His conviction was later overturned.

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#16 of 75

     Posted 3/25/07 1:02 PM   
Joanna
 
From  Joanna  Posts 7238  Last 1/13/08
To  gordonhofer      [Msg # 197941.16 Message 197941.16 replying to 197941.14 197941.14 ]    

JO/ Love your sense of humor but could you provide a more reliable source?

Sure.

JO/ Thank you, Gordon. <s>

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#17 of 75

     Posted 3/25/07 1:09 PM   
bilkaypeters
 
From  bilkaypeters  Posts 1950  Last 8/20/07
To  Dave Tucker - SL-      [Msg # 197941.17 Message 197941.17 replying to 197941.15 197941.15 ]    
we are all aware of the problems with the Reagan administration but that was not my point and I'm not here to dump on the Clinton administration but to show and educate even you, that some politicians of both parties are money-hungry, frauds and cheats, and all you can do is come back witha  childish retort about Reagan???..Well your man was worse than my man syndrom.. Don;t you ever have a sense of trying to point out political actions and try to work on the betterment of helping the people of the USA instead of your own pockets.grow up David..they all do it!!!!!!
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#18 of 75

     Posted 3/25/07 3:55 PM   
Dave Tucker - SL-
 
From  Dave Tucker - SL-  Posts 20258  Last 7/8/09
To  bilkaypeters      [Msg # 197941.18 Message 197941.18 replying to 197941.17 197941.17 ]    

that some politicians of both parties are money-hungry, frauds and cheats,>>>

Not what was claimed, but if you are going to defend the previous post, do it on its own level.

and all you can do is come back witha childish retort about Reagan???..Well your man was worse than my man syndrom.. Don;t you ever have a sense of trying to point out political actions and try to work on the betterment of helping the people of the USA instead of your own pockets.grow up David..they all do it!!!!!!>>>

No, they do not "all do it." There are many many honorable and honest people in government. Those who are on the take, those who break the law are the exceptions, not the rule.

The claim that "government is the problem" or that all politicians are evil, servile, and/or self-serving is an old mantra, most recently gamed by the conservatives in their quest to constrain the role of the government to something approaching, if not further than the way the governmnt operated in the late 1800s.

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#19 of 75

     Posted 3/25/07 7:59 PM   
bilkaypeters
 
From  bilkaypeters  Posts 1950  Last 8/20/07
To  Dave Tucker - SL-      [Msg # 197941.19 Message 197941.19 replying to 197941.18 197941.18 ]    

that some politicians of both parties are money-hungry, frauds and cheats,>>>

Not what was claimed, but if you are going to defend the previous post, do it on its own level.

Don't ever tell me how to defend any post..I'll defend it at whatever level I feel is necessary.

and all you can do is come back witha childish retort about Reagan???..Well your man was worse than my man syndrom.. Don;t you ever have a sense of trying to point out political actions and try to work on the betterment of helping the people of the USA instead of your own pockets.grow up David..they all do it!!!!!!>>>

No, they do not "all do it." There are many many honorable and honest people in government. Those who are on the take, those who break the law are the exceptions, not the rule.

ALl in generic sense meaning NOT EVERY POLITICIAN but why am I explaining to you??..You knew that was what I meant in the first place, but you're  playing to look the bereaved party..Get over it!

The claim that "government is the problem" or that all politicians are evil, servile, and/or self-serving is an old mantra, most recently gamed by the conservatives in their quest to constrain the role of the government to something approaching, if not further than the way the governmnt operated in the late 1800s.

Every governmnet in history ahs had people that overstepped the boudaries of decencies and honesty and this one os no better nor worse I may add, than any others..SO play you hollier than thou attitude as it don't wash with me!

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#20 of 75

     Posted 3/25/07 8:22 PM   
Dave Tucker - SL-
 
From  Dave Tucker - SL-  Posts 20258  Last 7/8/09
To  bilkaypeters      [Msg # 197941.20 Message 197941.20 replying to 197941.19 197941.19 ]    

and all you can do is come back witha childish retort about Reagan???..Well your man was worse than my man syndrom.. Don;t you ever have a sense of trying to point out political actions and try to work on the betterment of helping the people of the USA instead of your own pockets.grow up David..they all do it!!!!!!>>>

No, they do not "all do it." There are many many honorable and honest people in government. Those who are on the take, those who break the law are the exceptions, not the rule.

ALl in generic sense meaning NOT EVERY POLITICIAN but why am I explaining to you??..You knew that was what I meant in the first place, but you're playing to look the bereaved party..Get over it!>>>

I know only what you post. I can't read your mind and won't attempt to parse whatever you put in the message. You said "all" that says it all.

The claim that "government is the problem" or that all politicians are evil, servile, and/or self-serving is an old mantra, most recently gamed by the conservatives in their quest to constrain the role of the government to something approaching, if not further than the way the governmnt operated in the late 1800s.

Every governmnet in history ahs had people that overstepped the boudaries of decencies and honesty and this one os no better nor worse I may add, than any others..SO play you hollier than thou attitude as it don't wash with me!>>>

It depends, does it not, on what criteria one uses for measurement. This administration, I will cheerfully admit does not seem worse than Cleveland's second administration. I'm not sure it is better, but it seems no worse. I could be incorrect. Cleveland, btw, at least in his second administration may well have set the gold standard for bad administrations.

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#21 of 75

     Posted 3/25/07 8:27 PM   
Ananair
 
From  Ananair  Posts 12097  Last 9/15/08
To  bilkaypeters      [Msg # 197941.21 Message 197941.21 replying to 197941.19 197941.19 ]    

Bilky
<<ALl in generic sense meaning NOT EVERY POLITICIAN but why am I explaining to you??

So now that it has been explained, what does "ALL" in non-generic sense mean?

bilky
<<Every governmnet in history ahs had people that overstepped the boudaries of decencies

Are you writing "every" in the generic or non-generic sense?

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#22 of 75

     Posted 3/25/07 8:28 PM   
Michael H.
 
From  Michael H.  Posts 26703  Last 7/8/09
To  bilkaypeters      [Msg # 197941.22 Message 197941.22 replying to 197941.19 197941.19 ]    
>> ALl in generic sense meaning NOT EVERY POLITICIAN but why am I explaining to you?? <<

So what you're saying is that you were using the word "all" to mean something other than what the word "all" actually means, right?  And then you got upset because somebody had the temerity to point out that the actual statement comprised of the words you had written was false?




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#23 of 75

     Posted 3/26/07 12:29 AM   
JWZubrick
 
From  JWZubrick  Posts 3130  Last 7:24 PM
To  bilkaypeters      [Msg # 197941.23 Message 197941.23 replying to 197941.17 197941.17 ]    
.they all do it!!!!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
But only Republicans claim to be more moral, more connected to Jesus, more holy, more "family-values" folk, and so on.
Thus although members of both parties are certainly prone to all human failings, only Republicans are also hypocritical about this.
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#24 of 75

     Posted 3/26/07 12:51 AM   
Rsbegone
 
From  Rsbegone  Posts 5063  Last 5:42 PM
To  Biederman12      [Msg # 197941.24 Message 197941.24 replying to 197941.3 197941.3 ]    

He_pleaded_guilty.

Hell, that don't mean nothin'.  Liberal commie scum could have secretly implanted microchips in his head and programmed him to say that. 

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#25 of 75

     Posted 3/26/07 1:03 AM   
Rsbegone
 
From  Rsbegone  Posts 5063  Last 5:42 PM
To  gordonhofer      [Msg # 197941.25 Message 197941.25 replying to 197941.4 197941.4 ]    

Prosecutors dropped earlier allegations that Griles did anything improper to help Abramoff or gained anything of  value from the former Republican lobbyist.

LOL LOL...well, that makes Griles doubly stupid, then, doesn't it?  He'll be a felon for the rest of his life, all for nothing!  LOL...another Bush League dope.

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#26 of 75

     Posted 3/26/07 10:37 AM   
dbudzz1
 
From  dbudzz1  Posts 4369  Last 6/28/07
To  bilkaypeters      [Msg # 197941.26 Message 197941.26 replying to 197941.7 197941.7 ]    
the Republicans got a long way to go before they can catch up to the previous administrations number of people convicted  of many things in our government, but who's counting.?????


LOL, the previous admin had 0 zero people convicted of any malfeasance in office,your claims of corruption are hollow. Maybe you should start to count, Bush is winning in the corruption contest.
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#27 of 75

     Posted 3/26/07 1:38 PM   
bilkaypeters
 
From  bilkaypeters  Posts 1950  Last 8/20/07
To  dbudzz1      [Msg # 197941.27 Message 197941.27 replying to 197941.26 197941.26 ]    

LOL, the previous admin had 0 zero people convicted of any malfeasance in office,your claims of corruption are hollow. Maybe you should start to count, Bush is winning in the corruption contest.

 

If you'e talking about the Clinton administration, begin with Dan Rostenkowski, mail fraud..Mel Reynolds, molestation of a young female staffer, age 14 and Robert Torecelli, mail fraud and improper taking of money and gifts..I have a list of 28 more..LIke to see them all as they are all documented and verified to even include Nancy Pelosi!!!!


Edited 3/26/07   by  bilkaypeters
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#28 of 75

     Posted 3/26/07 2:26 PM   
JeanIm8
 
From  JeanIm8  Posts 6426  Last 4:50 PM
To  Biederman12      [Msg # 197941.28 Message 197941.28 replying to 197941.3 197941.3 ]    
<<biederman>> "If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier...just as long as I'm the dictator..."
~George W. Bush Washington, DC, Dec 18, 2000, during his first trip to Washington as President-Elect~

 <j> Seems he's moved closer to  getting his desire. Bush has declared that he has the power to set aside laws when they conflict with his legal interpretation of the Constitution.  

April 30, 2006 - Boston Globe (Charlie Savage)http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/04/30

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#29 of 75

     Posted 3/26/07 3:23 PM   
reddirthippy
 
From  reddirthippy  Posts 2755  Last 4/8/08
To  bilkaypeters      [Msg # 197941.29 Message 197941.29 replying to 197941.27 197941.27 ]    

Dan Rostenkowski,Mel Reynolds,Robert Torecelli

What postitions did they hold in the Clinton Administration?

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#30 of 75

     Posted 3/26/07 3:28 PM   
dbudzz1
 
From  dbudzz1  Posts 4369  Last 6/28/07
To  bilkaypeters      [Msg # 197941.30 Message 197941.30 replying to 197941.27 197941.27 ]    

LOL, the previous admin had 0 zero people convicted of any malfeasance in office,your claims of corruption are hollow. Maybe you should start to count, Bush is winning in the corruption contest.

 

If you'e talking about the Clinton administration, begin with Dan Rostenkowski, was not a member of the Clinton administration. mail fraud..Mel Reynolds, molestation of a young female staffer,Not a member of the Clinton administration. age 14 and Robert Torecelli,not a member of the Clinton administration. mail fraud and improper taking of money and gifts..I have a list of 28 more..LIke to see them all as they are all documented and verified to even include Nancy Pelosi!!!!

I'd like to see you name one member of the Clinton administration who was prosecuted for his actions during that administration. You list Congressmen, would you like to throw all the republican congressmen who have been convicted during this admin. in the mix? Duke Cunningham, Robert Ney, Abramhoff, Libby, the one who was stealing stuff from dept. stores and returning it for refunds etc.etc.etc...

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#31 of 75

     Posted 3/26/07 3:47 PM   
bilkaypeters
 
From  bilkaypeters  Posts 1950  Last 8/20/07
To  dbudzz1      [Msg # 197941.31 Message 197941.31 replying to 197941.30 197941.30 ]    

How about the following: Henry Cisneros, HUD, lying to the FBI --resigned

Mike Espy-Accepted Illegal gifts-resigned

Webster Hubbell--Tax invasion. in jail

Raoger ALtman lying to Congress-resigned

Lloyd Cutler-lying to Congress-resigned

 

ROn Brown under investigation for money fraud until he died..ther are sill many more..Like to continue with accepting illegal campaign finance money and how would you like for me to list the number of peopl in Hillary's staff that fallunder the purview of the President..you don;t want to get bested do you..How about those that fled the country or took the 5th..all members of Clinton's admin and I have many, many more!!!!


Edited 3/26/07   by  bilkaypeters
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#32 of 75

     Posted 3/26/07 4:04 PM   
Biederman12
 
From  Biederman12  Posts 2685  Last 6/3/08
To  Rsbegone      [Msg # 197941.32 Message 197941.32 replying to 197941.24 197941.24 ]    

"Hell, that don't mean nothin'. Liberal commie scum could have secretly implanted microchips in his head and programmed him to say that. "

Don't get them started on that! I've read posts already claiming that of the Plame investigation. I won't mention names.


"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier...just as long as I'm the dictator..."
~George W. Bush Washington, DC, Dec 18, 2000, during his first trip to Washington as President-Elect~

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#33 of 75

     Posted 3/26/07 4:07 PM   
Biederman12
 
From  Biederman12  Posts 2685  Last 6/3/08
To  bilkaypeters      [Msg # 197941.33 Message 197941.33 replying to 197941.31 197941.31 ]    

"ROn Brown under investigation for money fraud until he died..ther are sill many more..Like to continue with accepting illegal campaign finance money and how would you like for me to list the number of peopl in Hillary's staff that fallunder the purview of the President..you don;t want to get bested do you..How about those that fled the country or took the 5th..all members of Clinton's admin and I have many, many more!!!!"

Personally, I like the story from a certain somebody claiming the moon landing was really shot on a set in Nevada.


"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier...just as long as I'm the dictator..."
~George W. Bush Washington, DC, Dec 18, 2000, during his first trip to Washington as President-Elect~

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#34 of 75

     Posted 3/26/07 4:12 PM   
bilkaypeters
 
From  bilkaypeters  Posts 1950  Last 8/20/07
To  Biederman12      [Msg # 197941.34 Message 197941.34 replying to 197941.33 197941.33 ]    

Personally, I like the story from a certain somebody claiming the moon landing was really shot on a set in Nevada.

 

SO do I but it changes nothing about Ron Brown does it??

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