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What happened to 8.0.3.1?

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#1 of 24 Posted 7/28/05 10:24 PM

From airstrikemercury Posts 18 Last 9/5/05
To All [Msg # 2609.1 ]

Where did the 8.0.3.1 download go?

I was going to experiment some more with trying to install and now the download page only offers 8.0.2.

What happened?

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#2 of 24 Posted 7/28/05 11:00 PM

From Jay Garcia Posts 8584 Last Feb-7
To airstrikemercury [Msg # 2609.2 2609.1 ] (Unread)

8.0.3.1 was pulled until some critical issues are fixed and a patch becomes available.

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#4 of 24 Posted 7/29/05 2:47 AM

From anthoncon Posts 145 Last 10/12/06
To Jay Garcia [Msg # 2609.4 2609.2 ]

Whatr critical issues? Is 8.0.3.1 secure enough to use or should one revert back to 8.0.2? And why is there no announcement in the announcements section?

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#5 of 24 Posted 7/29/05 8:40 AM

From Leea Posts 74 Last 11/3/07
To anthoncon [Msg # 2609.5 2609.4 ] (Unread)

I agree with you! I have 8.0.3.1, its working here, so I will keep it. I feel tricked.

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#6 of 24 Posted 7/29/05 10:08 AM

From Jay Garcia Posts 8584 Last Feb-7
To Leea [Msg # 2609.6 2609.5 ] (Unread)

If you and others had been following the discussions and posts by several users complaining about not being able to download using 8.0.3.1 then you would understand WHY 8.0.3.1 was pulled, we will NOT continue to provide this version. And I DID announce it but not in the announcements section. I also provided a link to the archives so users not happy with 8.0.3.1 can download a previous version until this is patched and re-spun. The download problem is universal enough to warrant a re-spin, but not experienced by "some" users. I can't d'load using 8.0.3.1 either.

Issues such as this are not confined to just Netscape. Mozilla 1.7.10 was quickly pulled and 1.7.11 is now available AFAIK. Also happened with Firefox. 1.0.4 was re-spun to 1.0.5 and now 1.0.6

We try to be on top of every situation as best as possible.

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#7 of 24 Posted 7/29/05 10:58 AM

From Pim Posts 952 Last Dec-9
To Jay Garcia [Msg # 2609.7 2609.6 ]

No, Mozilla 1.7.10 is still the official download on the Mozilla home page. Its problems are not show-stoppers, so Mozilla will continue having the 1.7.10 available for download until the 1.7.11 is ready to rollout.

(Of course the 1.7.11 pre-release can be downloaded already, for people willing to test it... the more people testing this product, the better!)

Groetjes, Pim

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#8 of 24 Posted 7/29/05 12:02 PM

From anthoncon Posts 145 Last 10/12/06
To Jay Garcia [Msg # 2609.8 2609.6 ]

JG,

It was not clear that 8.0.3.1 was pulled because of downloading difficulty. I see no point in returning to an earlier version that crashed as in fact does 8.0.3.1 but less frequently. And i assume from your reply that there are no security issues with 8.0.3.1 while reverting to any earlier version could entail security issues.

And what is exactly is the point of having an announcements section if it is not used? Surely such a section to be the first stop to find out what the latest status is?

While there is much bashing of IE6 that I'm obliged to use because of NS instability, at least IE6 is stable and reliable, something to which NS should aspire. Or is NS going for the record of versions since launch? Only joking.

It really is a pity that what is essentially a good browser has so far been marred.

As a P.S., there has been much comment on resources used by NS 8 but it does not differ greatly from IE6 as loading IE6 each time for multiple windows can also use substantial resources.

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#9 of 24 Posted 7/29/05 12:07 PM

From Jay Garcia Posts 8584 Last Feb-7
To Pim [Msg # 2609.9 2609.7 ]

> No, Mozilla 1.7.10 is still the official download

Yes it is, I've been doing the 1.7.11 trunk builds in the 1.7x latest. What I read in one of the blogs was exactly what I posted even though it is now a poor choice of wording. Moz 1.7.10 is BEING pulled, not presently pulled as mentioned. Or better yet, "patched" and "re-spun" would be more correct.

NS 8.0.3.1 was actually yanked and a patch should be forthcoming asap.

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#10 of 24 Posted 7/29/05 12:14 PM

From Jay Garcia Posts 8584 Last Feb-7
To anthoncon [Msg # 2609.10 2609.8 ]

> And what is exactly is the point of having an announcements section if it is not used

Hmmm, so you haven't read the Announcement in the "Announcements" section yet? :-)

Although I have the authority to post in that section I cannot do so without "permission" from the boss. This time the boss wanted to make the announcement.

> And i assume from your reply that there are no security issues with 8.0.3.1 while reverting to any earlier version
> could entail security issues.

You assume wrong, I didn't say that 8.0.3.1 was free of security issues. 8.0.3.1 is on course with the latest Firefox security issues. The security issues in 8.02 are, IMHO, not a cause for alarm and paranoia. It all depends on "the issue". If you run across a security problem and your HD jumps out of your case and chases the neighbor's dog then I'd worry. :-)

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#11 of 24 Posted 7/29/05 1:02 PM

From anthoncon Posts 145 Last 10/12/06
To Jay Garcia [Msg # 2609.11 2609.10 ]

>Hmmm, so you haven't read the Announcement in the "Announcements" section yet?

The announcement was posted after the withdrawal of 8.0.3.1 rather than at the time of withdrawal. Also if you look at the announcements section where are they for 8.0.1, 8.0.2?

>You assume wrong, I didn't say that 8.0.3.1 was free of security issues. 8.0.3.1 is on course with the latest Firefox security issues. The security issues in 8.02 are, IMHO, not a cause for alarm and paranoia. It all depends on "the issue". If you run across a security problem and your HD jumps out of your case and chases the neighbor's dog then I'd worry.

This is a flippant attitude to security. That 8.0.3.1 included security fixes not present in earlier versions does suggest that earlier versions are less secure. I have no intention of bolting the stable door after the horse has gone. And as a consequence I would now delete NS 8.0.3.1 in favour of IE6, warts and all.

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#12 of 24 Posted 7/29/05 1:40 PM

From Jay Garcia Posts 8584 Last Feb-7
To anthoncon [Msg # 2609.12 2609.11 ] (Unread)

> This is a flippant attitude to security. That 8.0.3.1 included security fixes not present in earlier versions does
> suggest that earlier versions are less secure.

No, it's a non-alarmist realistic attitude to security. It all depends on THE security issue(s), some are Priority-1 and some are Priority-low. Yes, 8.0.3.1 included some security fixes not present in earlier versions. So did 8.02 and so did 8.01 and 8.02 is much more secure than NS 7.2 and on an on ad nauseum. If we're going to be THAT worried about security then maybe we should ditch our computers and take up needle-point.

> The announcement was posted after the withdrawal of 8.0.3.1 rather than at the time of withdrawal.

Yes, in the Announcements forum. That was an "official announcement". Timing was not really of the essence but at least one was made.

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#13 of 24 Posted 7/29/05 2:15 PM

From UncleDuck Posts 609 Last 3/27/09
To anthoncon [Msg # 2609.13 2609.8 ]

::: It was not clear that 8.0.3.1 was pulled because of downloading difficulty

Can't you READ for crying out loud??? Was plain as day to me why it was yanked after reading the thread about not being able to download.

::: I see no point in returning to an earlier version that crashed as in fact does 8.0.3.1 but less frequently

Then don't and stop whining about it. In my "opinion" Netscape has done us a service about letting us know and providing a link to previous versions so that we can choose or not choose to go with one or the other.

::: And what is exactly is the point of having an announcements section if it is not used

Hmmm, I didn't need an announcements section to know that the version was pulled and why. If you're configured for "unread msgs" then you would have seen the post in "another thread".

::: Or is NS going for the record of versions since launch?

They do it till they get it right and providing alphas and betas to the general public is one way to get it done a lot quicker - not joking!

::: It really is a pity that what is essentially a good browser has so far been marred.

Really? And I suppose that IE hasn't been "marred" by having to put out the patches of the week?

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#14 of 24 Posted 7/29/05 2:38 PM

From anthoncon Posts 145 Last 10/12/06
To UncleDuck [Msg # 2609.14 2609.13 ]

UD,

I can read but the announcement was late and not where it should have been.

NS has done us a disservice by releasing buggy software that is little better than beta.

I have better things to do than endlessly scan this forum for the many glitches in NS.

IE6 is a well-established, reliable browswer, backed up by an automatic update service. It does not do weekly patches but occasional monthly patches.

Your reply is typical of an NS fan who hates MS. But IE6 has 85% market penetration and the current NS debacle will not harm MS/IE6.

I think the above answers your rant adequately.

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#15 of 24 Posted 7/29/05 2:56 PM

From UncleDuck Posts 609 Last 3/27/09
To anthoncon [Msg # 2609.15 2609.14 ]

::: I can read but the announcement was late and not where it should have been

So, it was a bit on the late side but nonetheless the forum was alerted as soon as was possible.

::: NS has done us a disservice by releasing buggy software that is little better than beta

Sorry, I don't buy that. I for one am ecstatic that I was, and am, part of the general public that was allowed to download the original alpha, beta, etc and participate by contributing suggestions, feedback and bug reports,etc. The alternative would have been to keep everybody wondering for a year or so.

::: IE6 is a well-established

And how long has NS 8 Browser been "established". Poor comparison at best.

::: Your reply is typical of an NS fan who hates MS

Yes, a fan from the beginning but I do NOT hate MSIE, I just don't like it and use an alternative whenever possible. I don't like American automobiles, that's why I drive a German one. But I don't "hate" American cars.

::: But IE6 has 85% market penetration

Oh, you mean they've lost another 10% ??? :-)

::: It does not do weekly patches but occasional monthly patches.

You must be living under a rock. My laptop is usually ON for at the least 6-8 hrs daily and patches continue to roll in on a weekly basis, sometimes two weeks but never just monthly. Maybe you're just seeing IE patches but I'm talking about OS patches as well. Sorry, maybe that wasn't clear enough.

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#16 of 24 Posted 7/30/05 12:20 AM

From Toodles Posts 150 Last 1/30/09
To UncleDuck [Msg # 2609.16 2609.15 ] (Unread)

Oh, you mean they've lost another 10% ???

Great line, made my day.

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#17 of 24 Posted 7/30/05 7:51 AM

From anthoncon Posts 145 Last 10/12/06
To UncleDuck [Msg # 2609.17 2609.15 ] (Unread)

UD,

Glad you can ackonwledge the ammouncement was late.

Waiting a year for reliable software would have been better than releasing a program with about 4 versions in 2 months. It would see that you testing was flawed. You might be ecstatic but judging from this forum, many NS users are not.

My PC is on for considerable periods. MS do not update as frequently as you suggest. Moreover, MS has an excellent update notification system to back up their automatic update service. That Windows is virtually an industry standard and that IE6 is the most widely used browser make such successful MS products an obvious target for viruses etc. Once IE7 is released MS will claim back much of the business. If AOL/NS wish to prevent this then NS8 will have to be stabilised before the IE7 release.

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#18 of 24 Posted 7/30/05 7:26 PM

From bputman13 Posts 3 Last 10/12/07
To Jay Garcia [Msg # 2609.18 2609.6 ]

Even though left clicking on a download link fails to work, you may still accomplish the download by right clicking on the link and selecting "Save Target As..." in NSB 8.0.3.1. Not a problem mate.

No need to revert to 8.0.2

Bill Putman, CISSP

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#19 of 24 Posted 7/30/05 9:40 PM

From Jay Garcia Posts 8584 Last Feb-7
To bputman13 [Msg # 2609.19 2609.18 ]

Clicking on "save target as ..." does not work if the bug affects your install of NS 8, it doesn't here.

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