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* Islamic Holy Month Begins

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     Posted 9/22/06 9:18 AM   
John Linendoll
 
From  John Linendoll  Posts 7405  Last 7/7/08
To  All      [Msg # 113108.1 ]    

Islamic Holy Month Begins

Islam's holy month of fasting and prayer will begin for most Muslims on Saturday, September 23rd.  During Ramadan, much ordinary business and other activity grinds to a halt during the heat of the day.  Do you think the wars and other conflicts in the region are likely to slow down?

While commencement of the month of fasting and devotion is supposed to depend upon the ability to distinguish between a light and dark thread by the light of the new moon, astronomical calculations have largely obviated the need for most people to wait until official declarations occur before knowing when the month begins.

Devout Muslims are commanded to abstain from food, drink and other earthly comforts during the daytime, significantly altering life throughout the Islamic world for the next month.

In addition to fasting and prayer, the month of Ramadan is a time for visiting family and friends and for the reading of the entire Qur'an.

Traditionally, activities in the Middle East and other predominantly Muslims regions slow nearly to a halt during Ramadan -- particularly when it falls during the warmer months of the year.

The dates during which Ramadan is celebrated change from year to year, because the Hijri, or Islamic calendar, is based upon the lunar cycle.  Thus, last year it was celebrated during a slightly later period of the Roman year -- beginning in the cooler month of October.

One practical effect of the spartan regimen imposed by Ramadan's prohibitions is that certain activities are often scheduled to avoid the month -- while others are set to begin as soon as Ramadan ends.

When Ramadan is over, a period of great celebration follows, including feasting.

But, during the month in which most Muslims abstain from daytime eating and drinking, it is considered impolite to eat or drink in front of those observing the fast.

It should also be a time when wars and other conflicts are set aside, though, throughout history, many battles have nonetheless been fought during Ramadan.

Do you think the wars and other conflicts in the region are likely to slow down, even in recognition of Ramadan this year?

[Views expressed are those of the author(s) and do not necessarily reflect those of CompuServe, Netscape, any government, agency, or news organization.]

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     Posted 9/22/06 12:24 PM   
TimR
 
From  TimR  Posts 497  Last Oct-17
To  John Linendoll      [Msg # 113108.2 Message 113108.2 replying to 113108.1 113108.1 ]    

>Do you think the wars and other conflicts in the region are likely to slow down, even in recognition of Ramadan this year?<

I don't think they will.

Today's modern Jihad extremists don't seem to be bound by any of the major tenets of Islam - No more so than the Crusaders who sacked Jerusalem in the last millenium were bound by the ideals of Christianity.

The extremist elements who are creating most of the violence are really involved in an identity movement, in which being a Muslim is a part of their cultural identity - Practicing Islam is something altogether different.

It is similar to "Christian identity" movements of the far right, and Nazi preoccupation with Germanic legend, and Odin, as a cultural phenomenon that bound Germans together under fascism.

This explains a great deal of the exaggerated anger at Pope Benedict. Underneath the rallys, and banners, it isn't that Muslims are angry over insults directed at the Prophet, or Islam-

The problem is that, as Muslims, Arabs, non-caucasians, they feel personally threatened and insulted.

The level of anger over Benedict's statements seems directly correlated with the extent to which the Muslim in question perceives his/herself part of the modern Western world.

A Muslim in an office in Istanbul is no less a Muslim than a Bedouin in Yemen - Yet their takes on the Pope's statements are likely to be vastly different!  

The problem, of course, is that as the politics of modern Islam becomes increasingly culture and race driven, non-Arabs, and non-Muslims become less sympathetic, and less able to empathize with them.

The recent response to Benedict's statements are so far out of proportion, and so clearly founded in cultural duplicity, that it is nearly impossible to have any sympathy for Islam on this point.

Pretty much what they seem to want from Catholicism, is for Catholics as infidels, worshippers of a false God, and adherents to an immoral pagan faith, to apologize for a quote taken out of context in an academic speech Benedict made regarding the early history of Islamic/Christian relations, in which he was careful to present Islam as an authentic, yet different belief.

It is so bigoted, and one sided, that I find it quite repellant. 

If I find it repellant - It is a fair guess that nearly every non-Muslim does!

  

Tim

 

 


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     Posted 9/22/06 12:52 PM   
TimR
 
From  TimR  Posts 497  Last Oct-17
To  John Linendoll      [Msg # 113108.3 Message 113108.3 replying to 113108.1 113108.1 ]    

John,

My response to this thread is also related to what is happening now with Musharref of Pakistan.

As a politician, he really doesn't quite know which direction Pakistan is going to go! He also doesn't know where the U.S. is going.

We are in a terrible mess with Islam, largely as a result of having a senior Intelligence and Military administration that has no greater understanding of what is happening in Islamabad, the motivation behind events, than a typical resident of Kabul would understand what is happening on Wall Street in New York City, or why.

They have no more genuine understanding of what is happening in Islam, than a resident of Teheran would understand what is happening at the Federal Reserve, or with Alan Greenspan.

If you had ever been exposed to US intelligence and counter-terrorism efforts (I have been), you would be shocked and frightened. They have no more vision than many of the more crankish CompuServe participants. The whole Kiefer Sutherland - Secret Agent - Donald Belesario - American Heros outsmarting the terrorist, media myth, is an absolute fabrication.

The U.S. intelligence network couldn't find Bin Laden if he were working at a Burger King in Newark!  They will never find the Anthrax terrorist, and almost all of their successes are pee-wee league terrorist wanna-bees that they stumbled across by accident. 

Tim

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     Posted 9/23/06 6:20 AM   
findfrance
 
From  findfrance  Posts 1487  Last 1/29/08
To  nukem1865      [Msg # 113108.8 Message 113108.8 replying to 113108.6 113108.6 ]    

None of us should ever relax our vigilance towards our “murdering terror neighbours” whoever their neighbours may be.   Before this day is over, someone will suffer in the name of something.

 

There’s no exclusivity in terror tactics, it comes from all quarters.   Everyone is subject to someone else’s terror tactics no matter how the terror is perpetrated.

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     Posted 9/23/06 9:01 PM   
John Linendoll
 
From  John Linendoll  Posts 7405  Last 7/7/08
To  findfrance      [Msg # 113108.11 Message 113108.11 replying to 113108.8 113108.8 ]    

Thanks for your comments.

Indeed, it is often the case that one man's "terrorist" is another man's "freedom fighter."

But America has historically been on the side of freedom fighters, haven't we?

Very best wishes,

       -  John

[Views expressed are those of the author(s) and do not necessarily reflect those of CompuServe, Netscape, any government, agency, or news organization.]

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