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ADL to O: Lay Off Israel

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#1 of 15

     Posted Aug-4 12:34 PM   
Dick Weltz
 
From  Dick Weltz  Posts 5379  Last Nov-24
To  All      [Msg # 194431.1 ]    

The Anti-Defamation League took out a full-page ad in this morning's New York Times (and probably major papers in other cities), formatted as a letter directed to President Obama.

 

Israel Ad

The problem preventing peace in the Middle East, it said, isn't Israeli settlements, but the intransigence of Palestinian Arabs and their supporters regarding acceptance of Israel's existence as a Jewish State. The tone of the copy is clearly one of impatience with the one-sided antagonism this administration has been demonstrating toward the State of Israel; and a change of focus and attitude by Obama is called for.

You can help!  Go to this ADL Web page, where you can add your name to those of other Jews and Israel supporters to copies of the letter which will be sent to the White House. There is also a facility for forwarding the message to freinds and families so they can join in, too.

Don't delay -- act today! Let's flood the White House with outcries against the mistreatment of one of America's best friends and allies.

 

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     Posted Aug-4 6:52 PM   
Irv & Shoshana Feldman
 
From  Irv & Shoshana Feldman  Posts 3852  Last Nov-24
To  Dick Weltz      [Msg # 194431.2 Message 194431.2 replying to 194431.1 194431.1 ]    
<Don't delay -- act today! Let's flood the White House with outcries against the mistreatment of one of America's best friends and allies.>

The following Yiddish expression describes exactly what effect that will have on this racist President and his turncoat advisers:

"Si vet helfen vi a taiten bankess."

The only thing that will help is an impeachment and removal proceeding. That won't happen either.

Irv
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#3 of 15

     Posted Aug-4 7:47 PM   
enginetrains
 
From  enginetrains  Posts 821  Last Nov-24
To  Dick Weltz      [Msg # 194431.3 Message 194431.3 replying to 194431.1 194431.1 ]    

I've signed my name to the letter. Do I think it will make any difference? Absolutely not. This Administration and it's fellow-travelers in Congress don't care a whit about the people. Harry Reid and the White House have labeled those who are opposed to the health care bills as shrill and part of an organized action.

The Democrat Party was given the White House, the Senate, the House of Representatives and a belief that it therefore had the license to do anything it wanted. Only the people by their votes can change things and I'm not optimistic at all.

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     Posted Aug-4 8:01 PM   
enginetrains
 
From  enginetrains  Posts 821  Last Nov-24
To  Irv & Shoshana Feldman      [Msg # 194431.4 Message 194431.4 replying to 194431.2 194431.2 ]    

When you start talking "impeachment", you're talking "high crimes and misdemeanors"; that is real crimes committed while in office. I don't see any evidence of that to date. Talk of impeachment also troubles me because the far left was making the same kind of noise against George Bush, Dick Cheney, et.al. I believe we must be faithful to the Constitution and the strictures it places on removing the President. I don't want to see this country drift into the ditch of third-world banana republics where leaders can be removed when people simply don't agree with the leaders.

There are real problems for Jews and Judaism posed by the Obama Administration. The potential for those problems was clearly evident during the campaign, but 70%+ of Jews didn't believe it, ignored it, were more concerned about supporting liberal social causes or some of each. The potential problems are now real problems. Those problems can be partially alleviated by how Jews vote in the 2010 Congressional elections. The problems can be further alleviated by how Jews vote in the Presidential election in 2012.

It will be interesting to see how American Jews react when push comes to shove at election time.

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     Posted Aug-5 6:38 AM   
Robby
 
From  Robby  Posts 1908  Last Nov-11
To  enginetrains      [Msg # 194431.5 Message 194431.5 replying to 194431.4 194431.4 ]    
<<I believe we must be faithful to the Constitution and the strictures it places on removing the President. I don't want to see this country drift into the ditch of third-world banana republics where leaders can be removed when people simply don't agree with the leaders.>>

Agreed 100%....that is one of the beauties of this country....people don't have to die because they disagree....just remember how scary the 60's were because of that very thing.

<<Those problems can be partially alleviated by how Jews vote in the 2010 Congressional elections. The problems can be further alleviated by how Jews vote in the Presidential election in 2012>>


Clearly this is more than just a "Jewish problem"......so I think 2010 will be a defining moment for this country. America is really starting to stand up and fight back with respect to "Health Care".....perhaps Barry's socialist agenda is hitting home a bit more when the reality of what it actually entails becomes clear.  He has been honest with respect to his intentions to "transform America"....I just don't think many people thought it was much more than rhetoric...or thought though the full implications.

I believe there is cause for hope!

Robby
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     Posted Aug-5 7:20 AM   
Irv & Shoshana Feldman
 
From  Irv & Shoshana Feldman  Posts 3852  Last Nov-24
To  enginetrains      [Msg # 194431.6 Message 194431.6 replying to 194431.4 194431.4 ]    

<When you start talking "impeachment", you're talking "high crimes and misdemeanors"; that is real crimes committed while in office. I don't see any evidence of that to date. Talk of impeachment also troubles me because the far left was making the same kind of noise against George Bush, Dick Cheney, et.al. I believe we must be faithful to the Constitution and the strictures it places on removing the President. I don't want to see this country drift into the ditch of third-world banana republics where leaders can be removed when people simply don't agree with the leaders.>

Impeachment and removal are in the Constitution so how does that run contrary to the that document? Especially when you consider that the current President is acting in the interests of foreign governments and not the people of the US?

<There are real problems for Jews and Judaism posed by the Obama Administration. The potential for those problems was clearly evident during the campaign, but 70%+ of Jews didn't believe it, ignored it, were more concerned about supporting liberal social causes or some of each. The potential problems are now real problems. Those problems can be partially alleviated by how Jews vote in the 2010 Congressional elections. The problems can be further alleviated by how Jews vote in the Presidential election in 2012.>

Do you honestly think there is enough time between now and 2010 to counteract the brain washing given to the voting public at the hands of the aging hippie controlled media? I don't think so because the brainwashing is too deep to be removed without a major shockeroo like 25 - 30 % unemployment, several large bankruptcies and millions of home mortgage defaults caused by incompetents who don't know anything about running anything except rabble rousing. Unfortunetly that may be just around the corner.

<It will be interesting to see how American Jews react when push comes to shove at election time.>

I doubt anything will change with that 70% unless Obama & Co, do something so oivertly anti-semitic that even these ultra liberals at any price begin to see that living as Jews is no longer a viable option in the US.

Irv

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#7 of 15

     Posted Aug-5 7:55 AM   
enginetrains
 
From  enginetrains  Posts 821  Last Nov-24
To  Irv & Shoshana Feldman      [Msg # 194431.7 Message 194431.7 replying to 194431.6 194431.6 ]    

Do I think anything will change between now and 2010 or, for that matter in the 2010 Congressional elections? In short, no. Do I think the outcome of the 2012 Presidential election will be different from the outcome of the 2008 Presidential election? In even shorter, no.

It is interesting to note that the Democrat Party is referring to those who are opposed to the health care scheme as "mob rule" and part of an organized effort to derail the Obama Administration. When the people voted to give total control of the government to the Democrat Party, they unleashed a forward motion that will be difficult, if not impossible to stop. The Obama Administration has really given the back of it's hand to anyone who disagrees by calling into question the dissenter's motivations.

The telling moment will come later this fall when Congress takes up the health care legislation. I presume most congressmen have heard loud and clear from their constituents the distaste for what is currently being proposed. Will the congressmen take those comments to heart and either start over or greatly change what is already on the table or will they simply press on with the predetermined agenda in spite of what the majority of people appear to really want?

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     Posted Aug-5 8:54 AM   
Irv & Shoshana Feldman
 
From  Irv & Shoshana Feldman  Posts 3852  Last Nov-24
To  enginetrains      [Msg # 194431.8 Message 194431.8 replying to 194431.7 194431.7 ]    
<The telling moment will come later this fall when Congress takes up the health care legislation. I presume most congressmen have heard loud and clear from their constituents the distaste for what is currently being proposed. Will the congressmen take those comments to heart and either start over or greatly change what is already on the table or will they simply press on with the predetermined agenda in spite of what the majority of people appear to really want?>

I think we need a Constitutional amendment that requires a plebiscite to ratify any pay raises the boobs of Congress vote themselves before even one penny is paid to them. As it is I don't think they earn what they are getting paid now since they don't give a hoot what is good for anyone but themselves. Otherwise they would not act like the brainless idiots they come across being.

AS for Health Care reform, they don't know the meaning of the word and in their quest to stay on Herr Presidente's good side any health care plan they foist on the American people won't affect them just as this economic recession doesn't affect them either since they are insulated from pay cuts and loss of employment.

Irv
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     Posted Aug-5 12:32 PM   
Robby
 
From  Robby  Posts 1908  Last Nov-11
To  enginetrains      [Msg # 194431.9 Message 194431.9 replying to 194431.7 194431.7 ]    

<<Will the congressmen take those comments to heart and either start over or greatly change what is already on the table or will they simply press on with the predetermined agenda in spite of what the majority of people appear to really want?>>

Well, given the fact that they are up for election within a year at that point, I think self-preservation is highly possible. They know Barry's got 3 more years to play, but they don't....so who will they listen to?

Obama's  administration can call the disgruntled, disaffected, masses an angry mob controlled by the Right, but as we have seen in the past, NOTHING is controlled by the Right.

Robby

[edited to change an epithet]


Edited Aug-5   by  Dick Weltz
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     Posted Aug-5 12:36 PM   
Robby
 
From  Robby  Posts 1908  Last Nov-11
To  Irv & Shoshana Feldman      [Msg # 194431.10 Message 194431.10 replying to 194431.8 194431.8 ]    
<<AS for Health Care reform,>>

They're way ahead of you on this one....

The polling data show that "Health Care reform" doesn't play as well as "Health INSURANCE reform"....no one like the insurance companies...so it's easier to get people riled up about that.

They are very good at this...notice "Global Warming" is no longer the issue....now it's "Climate Change"...which covers them either way....and it is 100% certain that the climate will change....as it has for the last several billion years.

Robby
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     Posted Aug-5 4:13 PM   
Irv & Shoshana Feldman
 
From  Irv & Shoshana Feldman  Posts 3852  Last Nov-24
To  Robby      [Msg # 194431.11 Message 194431.11 replying to 194431.10 194431.10 ]    
<<AS for Health Care reform,>

They're way ahead of you on this one....

The polling data show that "Health Care reform" doesn't play as well as "Health INSURANCE reform"....no one like the insurance companies...so it's easier to get people riled up about that.>

Just more spinning of the facts in order to confuse the issues and the public. These people are obviously quite good at because they actually convinced the public screwing up the country was a good idea when its the public that is getting screwed.

<They are very good at this...notice "Global Warming" is no longer the issue....now it's "Climate Change"...which covers them either way....and it is 100% certain that the climate will change....as it has for the last several billion years.>

It's nothing more than spin, Robby. In this case it's designed to direct the public's attention towards non-issues and away from the truth of what Obama can and wants to screw anyone who is white or Jewish.

Irv


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     Posted Aug-5 9:35 PM   
Robby
 
From  Robby  Posts 1908  Last Nov-11
To  Irv & Shoshana Feldman      [Msg # 194431.12 Message 194431.12 replying to 194431.11 194431.11 ]    
<<Robby. In this case it's designed to direct the public's attention towards non-issues and away from the truth>>

Isn't it interesting timing for Clinton's trip to free the reporters from NK?  Too much bad press hitting about Barry's health care program......time to divert attention away....very propitious timing...although it doesn't seem to have worked....Obama's health care debacle is still number one on the hit parade.

Robby
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     Posted Aug-6 12:06 PM   
Irv & Shoshana Feldman
 
From  Irv & Shoshana Feldman  Posts 3852  Last Nov-24
To  Robby      [Msg # 194431.13 Message 194431.13 replying to 194431.12 194431.12 ]    
<<Robby. In this case it's designed to direct the public's attention towards non-issues and away from the truth>

Isn't it interesting timing for Clinton's trip to free the reporters from NK?  Too much bad press hitting about Barry's health care program......time to divert attention away....very propitious timing...although it doesn't seem to have worked....Obama's health care debacle is still number one on the hit parade.>

I think its interesting that Obama thinks he can get away with ramming this through a Democrat controlled House and Senate. I strongly suspect that such tactics will alienate a few of the members of his own party who have been or are being racked over the coals because of their support for anything Obama's Muslim masters have ordered him to do to the American people, and especially those who ae Jewish too.

Irv
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     Posted Aug-6 2:02 PM   
Robby
 
From  Robby  Posts 1908  Last Nov-11
To  Irv & Shoshana Feldman      [Msg # 194431.14 Message 194431.14 replying to 194431.13 194431.13 ]    
<<I strongly suspect that such tactics will alienate a few of the members of his own party>>

I strongly suspect that to be the case.

....however, with Pelosi and Reid in control of Congress, they can effectively shunt a disgruntled Congressman off to Congressional Siberia if they don't toe the party line.....so any member of Congress who doesn't support Obama may find himself with nothing of import to do, or any committees to sit on.

Robby
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     Posted Aug-6 5:30 PM   
Irv & Shoshana Feldman
 
From  Irv & Shoshana Feldman  Posts 3852  Last Nov-24
To  Robby      [Msg # 194431.15 Message 194431.15 replying to 194431.14 194431.14 ]    
<<I strongly suspect that such tactics will alienate a few of the members of his own party>

I strongly suspect that to be the case.

....however, with Pelosi and Reid in control of Congress, they can effectively shunt a disgruntled Congressman off to Congressional Siberia if they don't toe the party line.....so any member of Congress who doesn't support Obama may find himself with nothing of import to do, or any committees to sit on.>

That is when it's time to change party affiliation. If enough Democrats do that, and they don't have to become Republicans either, then the Democrats will no longer control the House or the Senate and after that both Pelosi and Reid become totally irrelevant and Obama will become the nothing he really is. Sure he'll still be President but with no puppets to control.

Irv
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