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#1 of 24 Posted Oct-15 10:17 PM

From Michael H. Posts 3455 Last 5:29 AM
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Four Republican members of the US House of Representatives have accused the Council on American Islamic Relations of infiltrating Capitol Hill with congressional interns who they refer to as "spies." And they called for an investigation into it.

Spies? Because they are Muslim?

Would they say the same thing about efforts by a Christian Evangelical organization to place their young adults in positions as congressional interns?

Would they say the same thing about efforts by a civil libertarian organization to place their young adults in positions as congressional interns?

Would they say the same thing about efforts by a business organization to place their young adults in positions as congressional interns?

Or is it only because the group is an Islamic organization?

Since that accusation a number of other members of Congress have come forward to condemn the statements by the Republican members.

A spokesperson for Rep. André Carson called it "fearmongering at its worst."

Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers (D-MI) had this to say about it:

"It shouldn't need to be said in 2009, and after the historic election of our first African-American president, but let me remind all my colleagues that patriotic Americans of all races, religions, and beliefs have the right - and the responsibility - to participate in our political process, including by volunteering to work in Congressional offices. Numerous Muslim-American interns have served the House ably and they deserve our appreciation and respect, not attacks on their character or patriotism."

And Rep. Loretta Sanchez (D-CA) released a statement in which she stated:

"As a strong advocate for diversity and religious freedom, I find these claims to be outrageous and offensive. I urge the rest of my colleagues to join me in denouncing this witch hunt, which is clearly intended to create fear and distrust in our Capitol Hill community."

What do you think about all this?

Are the Democratic Representatives right? Is this "fearmongering at its worst?" Is it an attack on the character and patriotism of these interns? Is it a "witch hunt, which is clearly intended to create fear and distrust in our Capitol Hill community?"

Tell us what you think.

"You have absolutely no reason, none,
to trust our words or our actions at this point."
-- Michael Steele, Chairman of the Republican National Committee, Feb 13th, 2009

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#2 of 24 Posted Oct-16 6:08 PM

From nyqconly Posts 3001 Last Nov-21
To Michael H. [Msg # 213313.2 213313.1 ]

//What do you think about all this?//

Well as Muslims they almost certainly disagree substantial with Chairman Mao - so by that standard Glenn Beck should be happy. :)

Yet more pleonastic ravings!

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#3 of 24 Posted Oct-16 7:23 PM

From Michael H. Posts 3455 Last 5:29 AM
To nyqconly [Msg # 213313.3 213313.2 ]

>> Well as Muslims they almost certainly disagree substantial with Chairman Mao - so by that standard Glenn Beck should be happy. :) <<

**chuckle**

:)

"You have absolutely no reason, none,
to trust our words or our actions at this point."
-- Michael Steele, Chairman of the Republican National Committee, Feb 13th, 2009

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#4 of 24 Posted Oct-17 6:35 PM

From Jon Fredersen Posts 4235 Last Nov-24
To Michael H. [Msg # 213313.4 213313.1 ]

And, I recall hearing that these right wingers sent spies into the organization, pretending to be Muslim, to try and get the goods on them!

And, haven't gotten anything....

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#5 of 24 Posted Oct-17 7:07 PM

From Michael H. Posts 3455 Last 5:29 AM
To Jon Fredersen [Msg # 213313.5 213313.4 ]

>> And, I recall hearing that these right wingers sent spies into the organization, pretending to be Muslim, to try and get the goods on them! <<

That is exactly what they did, yes.

Evidently the only spies in this whole affair are the ones sent in by the right-wingers to go after the few Muslim interns.

"You have absolutely no reason, none,
to trust our words or our actions at this point."
-- Michael Steele, Chairman of the Republican National Committee, Feb 13th, 2009

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#6 of 24 Posted Oct-18 10:58 AM

From keithedgerly Posts 5297 Last 7:41 AM
To Michael H. [Msg # 213313.6 213313.5 ]

<<<That is exactly what they did, yes.

Evidently the only spies in this whole affair are the ones sent in by the right-wingers to go after the few Muslim interns.>

Would there be a scandal if someone "pretended" to be a Roman Catholic or an Evangelical Christian to obtain secret information about the intimate details of their "plans" and their "allegiances?"

I know many people who are willing to speculate on the "allegiance" of Roman Catholics based upon their presumed loyalty to the Vatican and/or to other countries, including France, our oldest ally.

If the Russian Orthodox Church or the Serbian Orthodox Church was trying to get interns appointed to Congressional offices, I believe a good many people would be concerned and might speculate about the loyalties of these interns.

So lets not start getting so self righteous about this.

Keith

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#7 of 24 Posted Oct-18 11:57 AM

From Michael H. Posts 3455 Last 5:29 AM
To keithedgerly [Msg # 213313.7 213313.6 ]

>> Would there be a scandal if someone "pretended" to be a Roman Catholic or an Evangelical Christian to obtain secret information about the intimate details of their "plans" and their "allegiances?" <<

If the whole thing involved an attempt to prevent them from being congressional interns, then yes, I do think so.

>> If the Russian Orthodox Church or the Serbian Orthodox Church was trying to get interns appointed to Congressional offices, I believe a good many people would be concerned and might speculate about the loyalties of these interns. <<

Why? You don't think that groups have a right to try to help their young people to succeed in a variety of areas?

"You have absolutely no reason, none,
to trust our words or our actions at this point."
-- Michael Steele, Chairman of the Republican National Committee, Feb 13th, 2009

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#8 of 24 Posted Oct-18 5:44 PM

From keithedgerly Posts 5297 Last 7:41 AM
To Michael H. [Msg # 213313.8 213313.7 ]

The Council on American-Islamic Relations is a not an Islamic NAACP.
It receives less than 3% of its revenues from dues. It has received $978,000 for the Sultan of Dubai, $500,000 from Prince Al Waleed Bin Talal of Saudi Arabia, $112,000 from Prince Abdullah Bin Mosa' ad of Saudi Arabia.

We have seen Sergeant Hasan Adbar attack his fellow American soldiers in Kuwait. We have seen. We have seen Marine translator Wassef ali Hassoun desert his post in Iraq and flee to Lebanon. We have seen a California hipster, Harley enthusiast and supposed lover of America, Ra' ed Mansour ad Banna, transform himself into a suicide bomber in Iraq.

I think we are rightly concerned about Islamic spies in the United States of America, particularly people who are supported by CAIR, which should be a registered foreign lobbying group for all its ties to Saudi Arabia and the UAR.

Keith

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#9 of 24 Posted Oct-18 6:10 PM

From Clark5940 Posts 445 Last 12:22 AM
To keithedgerly [Msg # 213313.9 213313.8 ]

I think we are rightly concerned about Islamic spies in the United States of America, particularly people who are supported by CAIR, which should be a registered foreign lobbying group for all its ties to Saudi Arabia and the UAR.

Keith: You are, absolutely, correct. Your remarks are commendable. "Those that cannot see any further than their nose, will end up one day flat on their face." It is scary!

Kayla

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#10 of 24 Posted Oct-18 8:34 PM

From Michael H. Posts 3455 Last 5:29 AM
To keithedgerly [Msg # 213313.10 213313.8 ]

>> The Council on American-Islamic Relations is a not an Islamic NAACP.
It receives less than 3% of its revenues from dues. It has received $978,000 for the Sultan of Dubai, $500,000 from Prince Al Waleed Bin Talal of Saudi Arabia, $112,000 from Prince Abdullah Bin Mosa' ad of Saudi Arabia. <<

So what? Those are all allies of the US, are they not?

>> We have seen Sergeant Hasan Adbar attack his fellow American soldiers in Kuwait. We have seen. We have seen Marine translator Wassef ali Hassoun desert his post in Iraq and flee to Lebanon. We have seen a California hipster, Harley enthusiast and supposed lover of America, Ra' ed Mansour ad Banna, transform himself into a suicide bomber in Iraq. <<

What does any of that have to do with anything we are discussing here?

>> I think we are rightly concerned about Islamic spies in the United States of America, particularly people who are supported by CAIR, which should be a registered foreign lobbying group for all its ties to Saudi Arabia and the UAR. <<

Do they actually do any lobbying on behalf of any foreign nations?

"You have absolutely no reason, none,
to trust our words or our actions at this point."
-- Michael Steele, Chairman of the Republican National Committee, Feb 13th, 2009

Free Your Mind. Free Yourself.
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#11 of 24 Posted Oct-19 5:45 AM

From keithedgerly Posts 5297 Last 7:41 AM
To Michael H. [Msg # 213313.11 213313.10 ]

<<<Do they actually do any lobbying on behalf of any foreign nations?>

Yes, they have. CAIR lobbied on behalf of Dubai World, which is owned by the Sultan of Dubai, taking of several of the largest ports in our country.

CAIR was also named as an unindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Lands Foundation controversy in which it was determined that Holy Lands Foundation was merely a front for Hamas, a Palestinian terrorist group.

Omar Ahmad, the co-founder of CAIR, has praised Islamic suicide bombers.

Ibrahim Hooper, the other co-founder of CAIR, has stated that his ultimate goal is the establishment of Sharia Law in America.

Is that really who we want supplying interns to our Congress people. They could be readying them to target our Congress with suicide bombers at an appropirate time for all we know.

Keith

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#12 of 24 Posted Oct-19 5:48 AM

From keithedgerly Posts 5297 Last 7:41 AM
To Clark5940 [Msg # 213313.12 213313.9 ] (Unread)

<<<I think we are rightly concerned about Islamic spies in the United States of America, particularly people who are supported by CAIR, which should be a registered foreign lobbying group for all its ties to Saudi Arabia and the UAR.

Keith: You are, absolutely, correct. Your remarks are commendable. "Those that cannot see any further than their nose, will end up one day flat on their face." It is scary!>

Thanks Kayla. You're right. It is scary. We cant let our guards down.

Keith

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#13 of 24 Posted Oct-19 9:50 AM

From Sysop Jim Dellon Posts 30303 Last Nov-24
To keithedgerly [Msg # 213313.13 213313.11 ]

Keith --

It's pretty pathetic to see you dragging out the same kind of religious bigotry that in our not so proud past was directed at Catholics and Jews in this country, all that smear and innuendo about nefarious foreign influences and the like - and now is directed at your fellow citizens who are Muslims.

>>Is that really who we want supplying interns to our Congress people. They could be readying them to target our Congress with suicide bombers at an appropirate time for all we know.<<

I've got an idea that I know you're going to love. Let's round up all of those Muslims in American and put them into internment camps. After all, you never know.

-- jim

Edited Oct-19 by Sysop Jim Dellon

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#14 of 24 Posted Oct-20 5:33 PM

From Jon Fredersen Posts 4235 Last Nov-24
To Sysop Jim Dellon [Msg # 213313.14 213313.13 ]

Who are these guys...sending a spy to try and find "spies" from this Muslim group?

the raw story, Bush appointee: GOP lawmakers siding with ‘professional bigots’,

By David Edwards and Daniel Tencer
Tuesday, October 20th, 2009 -- 10:03 am

Suhail Khan, who worked as a press secretary for a Republican congressman before joining the Department of Transportation under President George W. Bush, told MSNBC's Rachel Maddow that the four Republican members of Congress who are pushing for an investigation into Muslim "infiltration" of Congress were "duped" by the authors of a new book claiming to expose a hidden agenda in the Muslim lobby in Washington.

"These same professional bigots, as I call them, have gone after other Muslim-Americans serving their government in past years, in the Bush administration when I was serving," Khan said on The Rachel Maddow Show. "And now they're going after Muslim staffers, starting with interns. I guess if you know how to make coffee and answer the phone, next thing you do, you'll be taking over the world."

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#15 of 24 Posted Oct-23 9:19 AM

From keithedgerly Posts 5297 Last 7:41 AM
To Sysop Jim Dellon [Msg # 213313.15 213313.13 ]

<<<It's pretty pathetic to see you dragging out the same kind of religious bigotry that in our not so proud past was directed at Catholics and Jews in this country>

Roman Catholics and Jews have fared better here than in Islamic "republics" and "kingdoms." In fact, Islamics have fared better here than elsewhere. There far less reason for Islamic countries to fear Roman Catholics than for us to fear organizations like CAIR which have connections to terrorist front groups and which espouse Sharia Law and give praise to suicide bombers as Islamic heroes.

Keith

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#16 of 24 Posted Nov-6 6:39 AM

From keithedgerly Posts 5297 Last 7:41 AM
To Michael H. [Msg # 213313.16 213313.1 ]

I hope Congress re-examines this issue in view of the attack at Fort Hood.

Keith

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#17 of 24 Posted Nov-6 9:49 AM

From Raven Posts 99 Last Nov-22
To Sysop Jim Dellon [Msg # 213313.17 213313.13 ]

<I've got an idea that I know you're going to love. Let's round up all of those Muslims in American and put them into internment camps. After all, you never know.>\

A real Democratic idea. Just like the internment of Japanese-American citizens and Aleuts in WWII by Democratic President Roosevelt!

The people may be made to follow a path of action, but they may not be made to understand it.
Confucius

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#18 of 24 Posted Nov-6 9:51 AM

From Sysop Jim Dellon Posts 30303 Last Nov-24
To keithedgerly [Msg # 213313.18 213313.16 ]

Keith --

>>I hope Congress re-examines this issue in view of the attack at Fort Hood.<<

What's to reexamine? A deranged individual did a horrible thing.

-- jim

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#19 of 24 Posted Nov-6 10:13 AM

From HonestTrader Posts 19 Last Nov-9
To Michael H. [Msg # 213313.19 213313.1 ]

It's not fair to call all muslim Americans spies, but we should start behaving as if they were. Wars aren't fair. Ask japanese americans about that! Sometimes you just have to do what you have to do!

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#20 of 24 Posted Nov-7 7:54 AM

From keithedgerly Posts 5297 Last 7:41 AM
To Sysop Jim Dellon [Msg # 213313.20 213313.18 ]

<<<What's to reexamine? A deranged individual did a horrible thing.>

Well, I certainly think they need to re-analyse the soldier reset program and the entire psychiatric program provided by the military "health" system.

I must say that my respect for the psychiatric profession as a whole has sunk to a new low and it really can't go much lower.

Keith

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