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Diana Gabaldon

ECHO: Chapters 85-91

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#1 of 140

     Posted Sep-21 8:45 PM   
Karen Henry
 
From  Karen Henry  Posts 4706  Last Nov-24
To  All      [Msg # 65284.1 ]    
Discussions of Chapters 85-91 go here.

* * * SPOILER WARNING * * *

You WILL encounter spoilers in this thread.  Spoiler space is NOT needed.  If you don't want to know yet, stay out of this thread!


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Edited Sep-22   by  Karen Henry
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#8 of 140

     Posted Sep-28 11:30 AM   
Pamela
 
From  Pamela  Posts 394  Last Nov-3
To  All      [Msg # 65284.8 Message 65284.8 replying to 65284.1 65284.1 ]    

(Karen - I didn't see a discussion thread for 85 - 92...??)(if there is one, chuck this in there, please? thanks)

Jem - WHAT????????????? (where's the little screaming emoticon??!!)

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#9 of 140

     Posted Oct-5 12:00 AM   
lmlyberger
 
From  lmlyberger  Posts 2  Last Oct-13
To  A. Edwards SL-R&C      [Msg # 65284.9 Message 65284.9 replying to 65284.1 65284.1 ]    
Where is it said that Roger and Buck go back in time?   
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#10 of 140

     Posted Oct-5 12:12 AM   
A. Edwards SL-R&C
 
From  A. Edwards SL-R&C  Posts 6318  Last 1:37 AM
To  lmlyberger      [Msg # 65284.10 Message 65284.10 replying to 65284.9 65284.9 ]    
They think Jem has gone through the stones, so they are following. Chapter 90.

Allene

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#11 of 140

     Posted Oct-5 12:37 AM   
lmlyberger
 
From  lmlyberger  Posts 2  Last Oct-13
To  A. Edwards SL-R&C      [Msg # 65284.11 Message 65284.11 replying to 65284.10 65284.10 ]    

Ah yes, but we don't know where they end up, now do we? 

Roger has done this twice now and presumably will be thinking about getting to where his Jem is.  Buck might be thinking about his Jem and Morag or may just be following Roger in a state of some confusion.   But as Jem, (Roger's Jem) hasn't gone anywhere (at least not in time) what will the stones do with them?

Brianna's read of the geneology chart says Buck doesn't get back to his time and people, so where have they ended up?

Lynne

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     Posted Oct-5 2:21 AM   
Barbara Schnell
 
From  Barbara Schnell  Posts 6292  Last Nov-24
To  lmlyberger      [Msg # 65284.12 Message 65284.12 replying to 65284.11 65284.11 ]    
Yes, yes, and yes.

Diana keeps putting red herrings in front of these people, and they keep ignoring them (or the sinister things going on in their shadow) in favor of their own, hasty conclusions.

I really wouldn't be surprised if at the beginning of the next book, (theoretical) minutes later, nobody would have gone anywhere, at least not in time.

But then, I'll be happy to let Diana take me where she will *s*


Barbara Schnell
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     Posted Oct-5 3:53 AM   
metpatpetet
 
From  metpatpetet  Posts 1571  Last 2:09 AM
To  Barbara Schnell      [Msg # 65284.13 Message 65284.13 replying to 65284.12 65284.12 ]    

I haven't yet re-read the pertinent sections, so I hesitate a bit to make a definitive statement, but there is a big difference between ley lines and portals, IMO.  A portal seems to be where several ley lines meet, but TT along a ley line has yet to be established, in Diana's rules of TT.  What I thought I read was that Brianna sensed the power of a ley line, not that she felt she was right next to a portal [question: does the power of a portal extend INTO the earth, and if so, for how deep?  I always thought they were intensely local.  With the exception of Abandawe, all that we know of are on the surface]

It would seem odd that there would be so many portals so close together as Craig na Dun and another only a few miles away, IMO.

As for Buck's theoretical demise, at age 38, it is an assumption of Brianna's that he can't get back.  For all we know at this point, he might get back to the 18th century and die of pneumonia, gunshot, or septicemia from an infected ingrown toenail <g>

Metpatpetet

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     Posted Oct-5 5:14 AM   
Anne
 
From  Anne  Posts 651  Last Nov-16
To  metpatpetet      [Msg # 65284.14 Message 65284.14 replying to 65284.13 65284.13 ]    

Dear Met,

Most definitely something to ponder, and like you I too need to do a re-read. I'm also interested to see where (and how for that matter) Jerry's plane ends up going down (through? over?) in all of this. Lol, there is always something new to try and grasp with TT

Anne

edited to add word


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#15 of 140

     Posted Oct-5 5:44 AM   
Barbara Schnell
 
From  Barbara Schnell  Posts 6292  Last Nov-24
To  metpatpetet      [Msg # 65284.15 Message 65284.15 replying to 65284.13 65284.13 ]    
Well, what Brianna feels is _something_ akin to the power of a portal. It's strong enough to make her wonder, in the dark, if she may have traveled.  And we've already seen how much more susceptible the kids are to those powers ... so anything's possible. Or not.


Barbara Schnell
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#16 of 140

     Posted Oct-5 5:50 AM   
metpatpetet
 
From  metpatpetet  Posts 1571  Last 2:09 AM
To  Anne      [Msg # 65284.16 Message 65284.16 replying to 65284.14 65284.14 ]    

I'm also interested to see where (and how for that matter) Jerry's plane ends up going down (through? over?) in all of this.

I think Claire might be jumping to conclusions here, you know.  We don't know how far inland his plane came down, or whether he did in fact have a parachute.  Or whether he was anywhere near a TT portal.  It is always a mistake to theorize without data, Watson!

I would prefer NOT to have more TT "coincidences", frankly.  What with the interest in the Beauchamp connection, a possibility of Roger's father also turning up in the 18th century is a bit much.

I am more interested in how Geillis managed to go so far back beyond 202 years, and why Buck came FORWARD in time, apparently without any effort on his part.

Metpatpetet

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~~~Talmud~~~

 

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     Posted Oct-5 6:43 AM   
Cristina H
 
From  Cristina H  Posts 110  Last Nov-22
To  metpatpetet      [Msg # 65284.17 Message 65284.17 replying to 65284.16 65284.16 ]    

"and why Buck came FORWARD in time, apparently without any effort on his part."

I have been thinking a good bit about this this, too. I believe that Diana wrote in the Outlandish Companion that you couldn't travel forward in your own timeline. However, I also know that this is Diana's world (we just live in it, as the saying goes.)

What if, as WBK was wandering near the stones, he randomly started thinking of Roger? Not as Roger, but something along the lines of "I'm sorry that I hung that poor bastard in North Carolina" and that is why he ends up forward, because that is where Roger is.

Hopefully when the series winds up, all will be explained!

Cristina H

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     Posted Oct-5 8:13 AM   
Karen Henry
 
From  Karen Henry  Posts 4706  Last Nov-24
To  lmlyberger      [Msg # 65284.18 Message 65284.18 replying to 65284.9 65284.9 ]    

Hi lmlyberger, and welcome to the forum! <g> Feel free to look around and jump into any discussion that looks interesting to you. Or start a new one, if no one is talking about something you'd like to discuss.

I see Allene answered your question. <g>  And since it's in chapter 90, I moved your message into the thread (discussion) that deals with that chapter.

If you haven't done so already, please check out our Forum Manual, which contains a lot of useful information for new members. For example, if you want to change the way your name appears in the forum (so people know to address you as something other than "lmlyberger" <g>), you can click on My Stuff, at the top of this page directly under the red "mm" in Community.  (You have to be logged in to the forum to see the My Stuff option.)  First names are fine, of course, or nicknames, whatever you're comfortable with. 

*** PLEASE READ BELOW ***

Here are a few important things that you need to know about Diana Gabaldon's section of the forum:

1) Most people here tend to assume that you have read all of Diana Gabaldon's published books, unless you say otherwise. If you haven't read all seven of the OUTLANDER books (please see note about AN ECHO IN THE BONE, below), or all three of the Lord John books, you will encounter spoilers for those books here. Read at your own risk.

2) If you've come here to discuss Diana's latest novel, AN ECHO IN THE BONE, you are definitely in the right place!  Before you comment on the new book, please take the time to read through the guidelines for ECHO discussions from Sept. 22 - Oct. 31, 2009, and let me know if you have any questions.

3) Diana frequently posts excerpts from her upcoming books and stories, both here and on her blog or web sitePlease keep in mind that not everyone here reads the excerpts or wants to hear about them.  If you want to talk about something that you read in an excerpt from an UNPUBLISHED book or story, please make sure to include the word SPOILER and a few blank lines of "spoiler space" in your message, BEFORE the reference to the excerpt, so that those of us who avoid excerpts can have some advance warning.  Thanks.

More detailed information about what spoilers are can be found here. If you're not sure how to tell whether something is a spoiler or not, please err on the side of caution.

Again, welcome, and if you have any questions about how things work around here, please don't hesitate to ask.

Karen


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     Posted Oct-5 8:16 AM   
Karen Henry
 
From  Karen Henry  Posts 4706  Last Nov-24
To  Cristina H      [Msg # 65284.19 Message 65284.19 replying to 65284.17 65284.17 ]    
Cristina:

I'm not so bothered by how Buck was able to travel forward in time.  Jemmy and Mandy both did it (traveling forward from the time when they were born), so we've known for a while that it's possible.

Karen


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#20 of 140

     Posted Oct-5 9:32 AM   
Cristina H
 
From  Cristina H  Posts 110  Last Nov-22
To  Karen Henry      [Msg # 65284.20 Message 65284.20 replying to 65284.19 65284.19 ]    

Karen:

Good point, though I assumed that Jem and Mandy could go forward in time because they were being carried and thus "steered".

I was musing about this aloud to my husband (who doesn't read fiction books of _any_ kind.) If that man says "it's only a book" one more time, he will come to serious bodily harm!

Cristina H

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