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Name That Fairy Tale

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#1 of 21

     Posted Nov-5 7:41 PM   
JimmyFM
 
From  JimmyFM  Posts 84  Last Nov-24
To  All      [Msg # 65720.1 ]    
Some time ago, I read a story that went something like:

A woodsman came upon a troll in the forest.  He captured the troll who, by tradition, had to reveal the location of a treasure.  This the troll did.  He took the woodsman to a tree and said that the treasure was buried next to the tree.

Problem, the woodsman had no shovel.  He took off his yellow scarf and tied it around the tree.  He then made the troll promise not to remove the scarf.  The troll, still captured and therefore obligated to tell the truth, promised.

When the woodsman returned, the troll was gone and every tree in the forest had a yellow scarf tied around it.

I'd like to reference this story but my memory is suspect.

Was it a woodsman, a farmer, a tinker, a soldier, a ???

Was it a troll, a gnome, a leprechaun, a ???

I've googled myself silly.  I've spent so much time in the children's section of the library that the librarian thinks I'm a lurking pervert.

Please can anybody identify this story before I'm arrested.

Thanks

Jim Malcolm
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#2 of 21

     Posted Nov-5 7:59 PM   
Bridget E
 
From  Bridget E  Posts 1215  Last 1:31 AM
To  JimmyFM      [Msg # 65720.2 Message 65720.2 replying to 65720.1 65720.1 ]    

I suspected it was a leprechaun. (They do have to tell you where their treasure is when you catch them. <g>)Found some google results using the words leprechaun and scarf.

http://www.calnative.com/stories/n_leprechaun.htm

http://stepbystepcc.com/leprechauns.html That one's further down the page.

It's a red scarf in these stories.

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#3 of 21

     Posted Nov-5 8:31 PM   
JimmyFM
 
From  JimmyFM  Posts 84  Last Nov-24
To  Bridget E      [Msg # 65720.3 Message 65720.3 replying to 65720.2 65720.2 ]    
Bridget

Pity.  I need something more sinister than a leprechauns.  Look harder.

Thanks

Jim
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#4 of 21

     Posted Nov-5 9:44 PM   
Bridget E
 
From  Bridget E  Posts 1215  Last 1:31 AM
To  JimmyFM      [Msg # 65720.4 Message 65720.4 replying to 65720.3 65720.3 ]    

Dear Jim,

There's not much I can do about it, much as I'd like to. I guess you'll just have to get arrested. <g>

Seriously though, maybe you heard some international version of this story? That happens a lot.

Bridget

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#5 of 21

     Posted Nov-6 12:01 PM   
jo bourne
 
From  jo bourne  Posts 1980  Last Nov-24
To  JimmyFM      [Msg # 65720.5 Message 65720.5 replying to 65720.1 65720.1 ]    

Hi Jim --

For what it's worth, this is a very familiar story.  I've always heard it with a leprechaun, a young girl, a bush and a garter.  See here for variants.

Can you tell me what you're trying to do with the tale and maybe somebody can come up with another story.

 

JoB


Edited Nov-6   by  jo bourne
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#6 of 21

     Posted Nov-6 12:47 PM   
MarkM
 
From  MarkM  Posts 1382  Last Nov-24
To  JimmyFM      [Msg # 65720.6 Message 65720.6 replying to 65720.1 65720.1 ]    

Sounds very Nordic (not that these tales didn't migrate to different countries in different forms).

Mark

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#7 of 21

     Posted Nov-6 2:07 PM   
Kristi
 
From  Kristi  Posts 293  Last Nov-24
To  JimmyFM      [Msg # 65720.7 Message 65720.7 replying to 65720.1 65720.1 ]    

Dear Jim,

The version my children listen to is the Fairy Shoemaker on Classic Children's Tales Volume 1:

http://www.edconpublishing.com/proddetail.php?prod=ED5511CD

You can read the transcript of the story here:

http://www.saskschools.ca/~gregory/plays/shoemaker.html

We checked the CD out of our local children's library, so maybe yours would have it too. Or at least you can have it jotted down on paper to show the police when they come for you. <s> I think there is a book version too; maybe that would have notes about the origin of the tale?

Other related bits:

Fairy and Folk Tales of the Irish Peasantry By William Butler Yeats (http://books.google.com/books?id=oNklVtBSda4C&dq) has a poem by William Allingham about the Fairy Shoemaker on page 81. It doesn't include the ribbon part though.

Yeats also writes that the word "Leprechaun" means "one-shoemaker". He also mentions the Far Darrig, which is similar to a Leprechaun, but "busies himself with joking, especially gruesome joking." So maybe he would suit your purposes better?

Also, the Wikipedia article on Allingham mentions that the first line from one of his other poems has been used as a sinister reference:
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Allingham)

" The opening lines from Allingham's poem The Fairies was quoted by the character of The Tinker near the beginning of the movie Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory, as well as in Mike Mignola's comic book short story Hellboy: The Corpse, plus the 1973 horror film Don't Look in the Basement:

Up the airy mountain/Down the rushy glen/We daren't go a-hunting/For fear of little men;"

- Kristi

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#8 of 21

     Posted Nov-6 3:19 PM   
jo bourne
 
From  jo bourne  Posts 1980  Last Nov-24
To  Kristi      [Msg # 65720.8 Message 65720.8 replying to 65720.7 65720.7 ]    

Hi Kristi --

Lovely, among the many creepinesses of Folk Lore, is 'Goblin Market' -- unfortunately, not a genuine Folk Tale.

We must not look at goblin men,
We must not buy their fruits:
Who knows upon what soil they fed
Their hungry thirsty roots?" *

 

JoB

Rosetti, of course.


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#9 of 21

     Posted Nov-6 3:40 PM   
Beth S/SL-Writing Biz
 
From  Beth S/SL-Writing Biz  Posts 9865  Last Nov-24
To  JimmyFM      [Msg # 65720.9 Message 65720.9 replying to 65720.1 65720.1 ]    

Jim,

It was a leprechaun in the version I read. Can't remember the profession of the guy he tricked, though.

~Beth

Visit The Stone River

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#10 of 21

     Posted Nov-6 3:48 PM   
Sarah Meral
 
From  Sarah Meral  Posts 314  Last 2:57 AM
To  JimmyFM      [Msg # 65720.10 Message 65720.10 replying to 65720.1 65720.1 ]    

Dear Jim,

I didn´t find the name of the fairy tale, but I found two sites which reported the story : here and here. The story is Irish and the two sites have different versions.   

I found another page: here.

edited to add the third page - Sarah

....Sarah


Edited Nov-6   by  Sarah Meral

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#11 of 21

     Posted Nov-6 8:38 PM   
JimmyFM
 
From  JimmyFM  Posts 84  Last Nov-24
To  jo bourne      [Msg # 65720.11 Message 65720.11 replying to 65720.5 65720.5 ]    
Jo

When I get to the nub of it, what I'm really trying to find is the illustration that I saw in the book.  Thanks for asking.

Jim
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#12 of 21

     Posted Nov-6 8:53 PM   
JimmyFM
 
From  JimmyFM  Posts 84  Last Nov-24
To  Kristi      [Msg # 65720.12 Message 65720.12 replying to 65720.7 65720.7 ]    
Kristi

Thanks for the information.  The story is basically the one that I remember.  I'm looking for the illustration I saw associated with the story.  Thanks for the information.

Jim
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#13 of 21

     Posted Nov-6 8:56 PM   
JimmyFM
 
From  JimmyFM  Posts 84  Last Nov-24
To  Beth S/SL-Writing Biz      [Msg # 65720.13 Message 65720.13 replying to 65720.9 65720.9 ]    
Beth

From what I can tell, those nasty leprechauns fool all sorts.

Jim
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#14 of 21

     Posted Nov-6 9:07 PM   
JimmyFM
 
From  JimmyFM  Posts 84  Last Nov-24
To  Sarah Meral      [Msg # 65720.14 Message 65720.14 replying to 65720.10 65720.10 ]    
Sarah

Thank you for the research.  I need an illustration and I saw one associated with this story.  It didn't look like a leprechaun in the illustration, but I am getting old.  As they say, the memory is the second thing to go.

Jim
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#15 of 21

     Posted Nov-7 11:37 AM   
Sarah Meral
 
From  Sarah Meral  Posts 314  Last 2:57 AM
To  JimmyFM      [Msg # 65720.15 Message 65720.15 replying to 65720.14 65720.14 ]    

Dear Jim,

Here is book wich seems to contain this story, maybe this picture helps.  

....Sarah

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#16 of 21

     Posted Nov-7 12:06 PM   
JimmyFM
 
From  JimmyFM  Posts 84  Last Nov-24
To  Sarah Meral      [Msg # 65720.16 Message 65720.16 replying to 65720.15 65720.15 ]    
Sarah

Thanks.  That's the kind of picture I'm looking for.

Speaking of pictures, what is that red flower in your picture?  It looks neat.  I tried enlarging the pix but couldn't so I can't real tell what it is.

Jim
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#17 of 21

     Posted Nov-7 3:38 PM   
Lauri
 
From  Lauri  Posts 8771  Last Nov-24
To  JimmyFM      [Msg # 65720.17 Message 65720.17 replying to 65720.16 65720.16 ]    
Dear Jimmy,

Wow, it's been a million years since I've seen you around here.  I remember critting "Spook" long ago (I was working out "Fugitive From Grace" at the time). Welcome back!

I can't tell you about the fairy tale (I read them all and they are a blur in my mind) but when you mentioned illustrations, that was different.  Search for "Arthur Rackham." He was a famous children's book illustrator in the early 20th century, creating beautiful but slightly unsettling drawings. There is a chance that the drawing you recall was done by Mr. Rackham.  I have a copy of "A Christmas Carol" he illustrated.  To me, he is THE fairy tale illustrator.

Hope this helps!

/auri
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#18 of 21

     Posted Nov-8 4:49 AM   
Sarah Meral
 
From  Sarah Meral  Posts 314  Last 2:57 AM
To  JimmyFM      [Msg # 65720.18 Message 65720.18 replying to 65720.16 65720.16 ]    

Dear Jim,

it a geranium.

....Sarah

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#19 of 21

     Posted Nov-9 3:46 PM   
JimmyFM
 
From  JimmyFM  Posts 84  Last Nov-24
To  Lauri      [Msg # 65720.19 Message 65720.19 replying to 65720.17 65720.17 ]    
Lauri

Yes, like a bad dream or a relative looking for money, I'm back.  I've been reading those crits of Spook again.  Spook will return after the new year.  We will see if I've gotten any better in the last 8 years.  Hard to say.  Mostly what I've been writing is resumes and performance reviews.  Fiction to be sure, but not best seller material.

Thanks for the pointer.  I'll check him out.

So how have you been?  Still writing or just lurking?  I've missed Research and Craft.  I learn so much here just browsing.

Jim
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#20 of 21

     Posted Nov-9 4:13 PM   
Lauri
 
From  Lauri  Posts 8771  Last Nov-24
To  JimmyFM      [Msg # 65720.20 Message 65720.20 replying to 65720.19 65720.19 ]    
Dear Jim,

Due to health issues, I have not been able to write for a long time.  I can't just "go away" to make-believe land because Real Life is too serious these days.  So I just hang out here. *s*  I got about ten rejections on "Fugitive"  I decided to do some major rewriting which got sidelined by Real Life.  Hope to get back to it someday, though.

/auri
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