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Separation/Divorce

Expensive Divorce

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#1 of 9

     Posted Oct-2 9:12 PM   
James1
 
From  James1  Posts 109  Last 12:20 AM
To  All      [Msg # 20744.1 ]    

Many couples still are forced to stay together because of the economy.  Properties are ofen "upside down"  meaning that the divorcing couple might have to bring cash to a sale of the marital home, or engage in a "short sale,"  which often makes the mortgage company a part of the divorce.

What's going on in your part of the world?

 

James1

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     Posted Oct-5 5:27 PM   
Kathleen
 
From  Kathleen  Posts 1252  Last Nov-18
To  James1      [Msg # 20744.2 Message 20744.2 replying to 20744.1 20744.1 ]    

>>>>What's going on in your part of the world?<<<<

The headline in Saturday's paper was: "Scheiding in ijskast door crisis" which translates to "Divorce in the refrigerator because of crisis". The article went on to say that divorce is down 12% from the same period last year. The reason is the economy. There are two different types of divorce here in NL. One is total dissolution of the marriage and includes a property settlement. The other is "separation from table and bed" which means two people no longer live in a matrimonial state, do not enter into (financial) contracts together, but they might still live at the same address and no property settlement is required for some years.

Additionally, it is now required to have a mediator before a couple steps in front of a divorce judge. All the details are worked out ahead of time, and co-parenting is required.

It isn't as easy to get married here as in USA. There's something called "ondertrouw" and a couple must go to the town hall to register. Ondertrouw might be as little as two weeks before the marriage, or could be longer. Each city/village have their own requirements of time. The couple will need birth certificates, immigration certificates (if one of the partners is not Dutch), proof of good citizenship (a police report), and there are additional legal actions necessary if there are minor children of either party.

It's no big deal to live together and have children here in Holland. The number one reason couples get married in Holland...to buy a house! I have a colleague who has been with his partner for 15 years and they have 3 kids. They got married this summer because...yep...they're buying a house!

kathleen

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     Posted Oct-25 9:21 PM   
James1
 
From  James1  Posts 3220  Last Nov-23
To  Kathleen      [Msg # 20744.3 Message 20744.3 replying to 20744.2 20744.2 ]    

Isn't it strange how a poor economy keeps folks married?

 

James1

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     Posted Oct-27 2:57 PM   
Bob Cohen
 
From  Bob Cohen  Posts 143  Last 8:42 AM
To  James1      [Msg # 20744.4 Message 20744.4 replying to 20744.3 20744.3 ]    
Being forced to live together with someone you're no longer in love with - or where there's active hostility - can be a nasty way to live.  There are alternatives to knock-down-drag-out divorce litigation.

But people who are "in hate" may not want to make anything easier for the other, even if they're prolonging the pain for themselves.
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Bob
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     Posted Oct-27 4:30 PM   
Bruce Fredericks [M&I]
 
From  Bruce Fredericks [M&I]  Posts 5  Last Nov-24
To  Bob Cohen      [Msg # 20744.5 Message 20744.5 replying to 20744.4 20744.4 ]    

>> But people who are "in hate" may not want to make anything easier for the other, even if they're prolonging the pain for themselves. <<

Hello Bob,

Isn't it pathetic for people to allow themselves to fall into such negative thinking  . . . which will definitely hurt them in the end ?

Bruce from Central New Jersey

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     Posted Oct-27 8:39 PM   
Bob Cohen
 
From  Bob Cohen  Posts 143  Last 8:42 AM
To  Bruce Fredericks [M&I]      [Msg # 20744.6 Message 20744.6 replying to 20744.5 20744.5 ]    
Bruce,

It's pathetic but I see it all the time.  A shame, really.
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Bob
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     Posted Oct-28 12:42 AM   
James1
 
From  James1  Posts 3220  Last Nov-23
To  Bob Cohen      [Msg # 20744.7 Message 20744.7 replying to 20744.4 20744.4 ]    

>>But people who are "in hate" may not want to make anything easier for the other, even if they're prolonging the pain for themselves.<<

Or they are waiting for their partner to leave or die, leaving their joint assets to them.  When one is poor, that may be easier to do, rather than give up those assets.

 

James1

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     Posted Oct-28 5:10 PM   
Bruce Fredericks [M&I]
 
From  Bruce Fredericks [M&I]  Posts 5  Last Nov-24
To  James1      [Msg # 20744.8 Message 20744.8 replying to 20744.7 20744.7 ]    

>> Or they are waiting for their partner to leave or die, leaving their joint assets to them.  When one is poor, that may be easier to do, rather than give up those assets.<<

James 1,

I agree that more often than not,  money appears to be the all deciding factor in divorce issues. 

One of the most promising careers is that of Divorce Attorney with 50% of Americans divorcing these days.

Regards,

 

Bruce from Central New Jersey

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     Posted Nov-1 9:13 PM   
James1
 
From  James1  Posts 3220  Last Nov-23
To  Bruce Fredericks [M&I]      [Msg # 20744.9 Message 20744.9 replying to 20744.8 20744.8 ]    (Unread)

Bruce, being a divorce attorney is not easy, and the stress is great.  Trying to manage a person who is paying you, who is emotionally distraught, and who reaches out to use anything, including the kids, to fight the other spouse is very tiring and upsetting.  I am retiring early due to the stress, about half my practice was divorce,  the other half was debtor rights (bankruptcy among other things).  I began teaching accounting as a way to begin to get out of divorce law.  The attorney who represented me in my divorce ten years ago retired much earlier.  He totally retired, and he was not yet 50.

 

James1

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