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Christian Morals

A Sexual Katrina

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#1 of 14

     Posted Nov-5 3:06 PM   
Richard W.
 
From  Richard W.  Posts 9527  Last Nov-24
To  All      [Msg # 119821.1 ]    
Peter Finney of Catholic News Service reports on a talk by Dan Spencer in New Orleans.
It's about a problem that does not go away, but seems to be getting worse.
A problem so common it affects people you know if not even yourself.


Pornography is 'a sexual Katrina' tearing men down, says speaker

By Peter Finney Jr.
Catholic News Service

NEW ORLEANS (CNS) -- The scourge of addiction to pornography, especially among men, has created "a sexual Katrina" that is destroying families, church and society, a prominent speaker on sexual integrity told a recent gathering of men in New Orleans.

Dan Spencer, an advisory board member of the "My House" anti-pornography initiative in the Archdiocese of Kansas City, Kan., told 200 men at the 13th annual Morning Men's Spirituality event that pornographic addiction is so prevalent it qualifies as one of the major battles the Catholic Church must speak out about and fight.

"It is the single largest battle, in my opinion, in this room -- the battle of pornography," said Spencer, an advertising and marketing executive and consultant. "There are men here -- and not just one or two -- who are addicted to pornography and who struggle with sexual issues. This sexual Katrina is destroying homes, families, men, our society, our church. This is enormous."

Spencer, who spoke Oct. 17 at St. Rita Church, said as many as 54 percent of men admit to viewing pornography in a one-month period, and 10 percent are addicted, including those who regularly attend church.

"There are men here who are hooked and who are wounded -- and not just one or two," Spencer said. "Fifty percent of men in this archdiocese are having this problem. It's typical. We want to think it's all young teenagers. I work with a number of groups, and the average age is 56. They range in age from 32 to 81."

Spencer, founder and director of the St. Joseph Center and chairman of the Kansas City Catholic Men's Fellowship, said the name "My House" is a short form of this verse from the Book of Joshua: "As for me and my household, we will serve the Lord."

Spencer said when he was a child his father took him to the circus, where he saw huge elephants doing tricks and wondered why they couldn't break the chains around their legs. Spencer's father explained that when the elephants were first born, the chains were placed on their legs.

"They learned the reality that those chains meant bondage," Spencer said. "That's why circus elephants are only good for this rather docile activity. In a way, their identity was taken from them."

In a similar way, a man's first encounter with pornography as a child can enslave him for life, Spencer said. He said the average age for exposure to sexually explicit material is 9 years old.

"And when does puberty hit?" Spencer said. "Talk about having your identity screwed up. Masturbation becomes the center of your life. You mask the pain of normal junior high times with that. Then you have dysfunctional families and deep father wounds. A lot of people have a tough time with their dads."

Spencer said while men make up 75 percent of those addicted to pornography women are the fastest-growing group.

"Women are in the (Internet) chat rooms because they are starved for love and affection," Spencer said. "Then it gets to the point, 'Why don't we meet?' This is millions of women. This should not be happening, not in Catholic America."

The easy and anonymous access to pornography through the Internet has made the problem even more difficult to combat, Spencer said.

"We are a totally sexualized culture," he said. "The Internet has changed everything. There are no more social barriers. You don't have to go out and buy books or go to a peep show. How many of you have PCs that are covered with protective software?"

Viewing pornography on workplace computers is also a major practice, Spencer said.

The Kansas City Archdiocese understood that the problem with pornography was so out of control that it created a small task force to review how best to respond, which led to the creation of "My House."

Among the most important strategies for fighting an addiction to pornography is to join a small faith group that meets either weekly or monthly so that men must be accountable for their actions, Spencer said.

"You cannot beat this alone, nor can you help someone if you don't go to a small faith group," he said. "You must get strength from other brothers. Iron sharpens iron. Primarily, you need deep adult conversion. You must ask the Son of God to come live in all of you. You must give your whole identity, your whole life to Christ, not just this Sunday morning stuff."

Spencer recommended making a full sacramental confession -- and going to confession regularly -- "to get it out and get clean. If you don't, you'll always carry this junk around with you. But our Lord Jesus is there to forgive you."
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#2 of 14

     Posted Nov-5 9:03 PM   
DonTom
 
From  DonTom  Posts 1041  Last 1:09 AM
To  Richard W.      [Msg # 119821.2 Message 119821.2 replying to 119821.1 119821.1 ]    
"Viewing pornography on workplace computers is also a major practice, Spencer said."

Where I work, we recently had a guy fired for doing exactly that. Not only was he downloading it to city's computer hard drive, but printed out such a picture on a remote printer that somebody else noticed before he got to it. You can read a little about this story here.

-Don-


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#3 of 14

     Posted Nov-7 4:14 AM   
Martin Y
 
From  Martin Y  Posts 2280  Last Nov-16
To  Richard W.      [Msg # 119821.3 Message 119821.3 replying to 119821.1 119821.1 ]    
Richard

>Pornography is 'a sexual Katrina' tearing men down, says speaker<

I think he is mistaken in one respect, it is not the pornography as much as it is the use of what is rarely even called soft porn in advertising and the media. Sex sells and is being used to sell constantly.

Martin
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     Posted Nov-14 3:38 AM   
Martin Y
 
From  Martin Y  Posts 2280  Last Nov-16
To  All      [Msg # 119821.4 Message 119821.4 replying to 119821.3 119821.3 ]    
There's a nice thing. Richard starts a thread and then ignores the replies.

Martin
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#5 of 14

     Posted Nov-14 6:18 AM   
DonTom
 
From  DonTom  Posts 1041  Last 1:09 AM
To  Martin Y      [Msg # 119821.5 Message 119821.5 replying to 119821.4 119821.4 ]    
"Richard starts a thread and then ignores the replies."

I don't see a problem with that. Often, there's nothing to say, but that doesn't mean the replies are ignored.

It seems to me that Richard always replies when he has something to say. I certainly get my share of replies from him, even on the threads he starts. 

-Don-
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#6 of 14

     Posted Nov-14 12:31 PM   
Joyce G.
 
From  Joyce G.  Posts 230  Last Nov-24
To  Richard W.      [Msg # 119821.6 Message 119821.6 replying to 119821.1 119821.1 ]    

Pornography is 'a sexual Katrina' tearing men down, says speaker

Quite an intersting article.

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#7 of 14

     Posted Nov-15 5:04 AM   
Martin Y
 
From  Martin Y  Posts 2280  Last Nov-16
To  DonTom      [Msg # 119821.7 Message 119821.7 replying to 119821.5 119821.5 ]    
Don

>I don't see a problem with that.<

Except that Richard ignores those who don't agree with him. Must get boring sometimes.

Martin
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#8 of 14

     Posted Nov-15 6:25 AM   
DonTom
 
From  DonTom  Posts 1041  Last 1:09 AM
To  Martin Y      [Msg # 119821.8 Message 119821.8 replying to 119821.7 119821.7 ]    (Unread)
"Except that Richard ignores those who don't agree with him. Must get boring sometimes."

He doesn't seem to ignore me when he disagrees.  Or does he only ignore the  other Christians that he disagrees with?

                                                                -Don-


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     Posted Nov-21 12:06 PM   
Joyce G.
 
From  Joyce G.  Posts 230  Last Nov-24
To  Richard W.      [Msg # 119821.9 Message 119821.9 replying to 119821.1 119821.1 ]    

NEW ORLEANS (CNS) -- The scourge of addiction to pornography, especially among men, has created "a sexual Katrina" that is destroying families, church and society, a prominent speaker on sexual integrity told a recent gathering of men in New Orleans.

This is a problem Richard. Wish you didn't drop the subject so soon.

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#10 of 14

     Posted Nov-21 3:02 PM   
Richard W.
 
From  Richard W.  Posts 9527  Last Nov-24
To  Joyce G.      [Msg # 119821.10 Message 119821.10 replying to 119821.9 119821.9 ]    
Joyce,

<<< This is a problem Richard. Wish you didn't drop the subject so soon.

Run with it, Joyce. I try to raise important topics here from time to time but I kind of leave it to others to see if they grow legs and run.

Richard W.
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     Posted Nov-22 8:01 AM   
DonTom
 
From  DonTom  Posts 1041  Last 1:09 AM
To  Joyce G.      [Msg # 119821.11 Message 119821.11 replying to 119821.9 119821.9 ]    
"Wish you didn't drop the subject so soon."

Did anybody else here see the case on Forensic Files where a married Christian male was hooked at looking at pornography on the Internet?  

This went on for some time. 

But later,  while the couple was in church, there was a sermon on the evils of pornography.

That night, it is believed (but cannot be proved) that sermon led to a BIG fight between him & his wife and in that fight he murdered his wife (second degree murder).

It was an interesting case, but I don't now remember all the details. IIRC, he covered up the crime and continues to go to church alone until they had the evidence to bust him.

-Don-
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     Posted Nov-22 2:36 PM   
Richard W.
 
From  Richard W.  Posts 9527  Last Nov-24
To  DonTom      [Msg # 119821.12 Message 119821.12 replying to 119821.11 119821.11 ]    
Don,

<<< Did anybody else here see the case on Forensic Files where a married Christian male was hooked at looking at pornography on the Internet? 

Not much of a TV watcher, sorry.

This went on for some time. 
But later,  while the couple was in church, there was a sermon on the evils of pornography.
That night, it is believed (but cannot be proved) that sermon led to a BIG fight between him & his wife and in that fight he murdered his wife (second degree murder).

So she knew probably all along. Wives often do. And men, even Christian men, often struggle with pornography. Not all of them are winning the battle to do what they know they should do. So I'm not terribly surprised that a man caught with his pornography would do something terrible.


It was an interesting case, but I don't now remember all the details. IIRC, he covered up the crime and continues to go to church alone until they had the evidence to bust him.


Good that he was busted. He sounds like a guy who should have corrections officers censoring what he sees from here on out.

I know you want to focus on him being a hypocrite here, but what I see is merely one of many sorts of the depths of depravity that people get into on a regular basis. Some people get out of their depravity sooner, some later, and some stay stuck in it all their lives. Just sitting in church does not mean you can escape depravity. Depravity runs deep and is very persistent. And it hurts other people too.


Richard W.
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#13 of 14

     Posted Nov-22 6:00 PM   
DonTom
 
From  DonTom  Posts 1041  Last 1:09 AM
To  Richard W.      [Msg # 119821.13 Message 119821.13 replying to 119821.12 119821.12 ]    
"I know you want to focus on him being a hypocrite here"

Even my Christians friends admit to all the hypocrisy in many other Christians who go to their own church. BTW, I have seen many cases on Forensic Files & Cold Case Files that involved serious crimes done by Christians. And there are many other cases that I know about that have not made it there yet, such as the BTK serial killer. Did you think only Catholics had all the hypocrites? I hear of such hypocrisy even among many Muslims. A problem with all religions because all people are human, regardless of their religion. Like many say, we are all sinners. Some even say that the church is for sinners only.  Perfect people (like me? <g>) have no need for any church or religion.

But one case I found interesting was the guy who murdered his entire family. He did a very Christian thing. He decided they sin too much and he murdered them before they sinned enough to go to hell. He decided the Christian thing to do would be to save them. IOW, he was willing to go to hell for them so they would not go to hell. He did this because of the love of his own family.

That was a clear case of ODing on the Christian drug.

"A Christian is a man who feels repentance on Sunday for what he did on Saturday and is going to do on Monday."
--Thomas Ybarra

-Don Quoteman
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#14 of 14

     Posted Nov-22 8:02 PM   
Joyce G.
 
From  Joyce G.  Posts 230  Last Nov-24
To  DonTom      [Msg # 119821.14 Message 119821.14 replying to 119821.13 119821.13 ]    

"A Christian is a man who feels repentance on Sunday for what he did on Saturday and is going to do on Monday."
--Thomas Ybarra

That's a funny quote. I have to admit it got a big chuckle from me when I read it. I also have to admit it is sometimes true.

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