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New Movie - 'No Impact Man'

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#1 of 11

     Posted Oct-31 3:14 AM   
Carol D./N CA zone 9
 
From  Carol D./N CA zone 9  Posts 651  Last Nov-22
To  All      [Msg # 197539.1 ]    
I just read a review for this documentary film and it sounds interesting, and the writer says it's also very funny.

"No TV.  No cars, buses or subways.  No conspicuous consumption.  Frustrating, but we could do it.
No eating out.  No food that comes in packages.  No meat.  And no fruit or veggies that traveled more than 150 miles to get to the table.
Difficult, but at least it sounds healthy.
No electricity.  No using the elevator.  No toilet paper.
Oh, c'mon!  In Laura Gabbert and Justin Schein's new documentary, 'No Impact Man,' a Manhattan writer and his family spend an entire year trying to live with virtually no carbon footprint."
(Robert W. Butler, Kansas City Star)

Here's the whole review (not too long to read):

http://www.kansascity.com/entertainment/columnists/robert_w_butler/story/1508902.html

The family of 3 really went to extremes on this but they did make it through the year and there's probably a lot in there that anyone could do without too much difficulty.

Carol
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     Posted Oct-31 9:08 AM   
Len Goran
 
From  Len Goran  Posts 985  Last 10:45 AM
To  Carol D./N CA zone 9      [Msg # 197539.2 Message 197539.2 replying to 197539.1 197539.1 ]    
>there's probably a lot in there that anyone could do without too much difficulty.<

Carol, not for me!

"No TV. No cars, buses or subways...No eating out. No food that comes in packages. No meat. And no fruit or veggies that traveled more than 150 miles to get to the table....No electricity. No using the elevator. No toilet paper"

Nope, I need and want all these items--and that coffee too.  Regards, Len
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     Posted Oct-31 9:53 AM   
Daryl/Ga/Zone 7a
 
From  Daryl/Ga/Zone 7a  Posts 13683  Last 6:30 AM
To  Carol D./N CA zone 9      [Msg # 197539.3 Message 197539.3 replying to 197539.1 197539.1 ]    

I read an article about it in the NYT a couple of months ago. I'm all for being gentle to the planet, but that's extreme. And his poor wife! Did you see the trailer? There's a trailer and a good article on Grist.

The picture of her trudging up the stairs carrying the baby made me sad. How many of our ancestors developed arthritis prematurely by carrying things up and down to their 4th floor walkup? And she was doing 9 flights!

d

 


Edited Oct-31   by  Daryl/Ga/Zone 7a
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     Posted Nov-2 7:46 AM   
LindaHD
 
From  LindaHD  Posts 631  Last 7:52 AM
To  Daryl/Ga/Zone 7a      [Msg # 197539.4 Message 197539.4 replying to 197539.3 197539.3 ]    

Oh my!  Much of this takes me back to childhood. We ate what we could produce, no running water, limited heat in the house and only from wood cut from the local woodlot and we milked the cows by hand.  In the winter I often woke up with a pile of frost from my breath around my face as there was no direct heat upstairs.  We did have electricity, though.  And yes, we didn't have toilet paper -- we used newspaper in the outdoor privy.  When the temperature got down to more than -20F one did not spend a lot of time in the privy!   I'll not go back to that anytime soon.  My parents finally got indoor plumbing the year we got married!

I remember Christmases when we got oranges and bananas as presents.  This was special because we didn't get them regularly during the rest of the year.  And after Christmas Eve services, every child went home with a bag of mixed nuts from church.  This too was special because there were always nuts in there that we didn't get often such as Brazil nuts.  I still look at them as a special treat since I didn't get them often.  The nuts used in all our cooking were hickory nuts which grew wild and locally.  Everyone helped in picking them up and cracking and picking them during the winter.

While I believe in trying to live locally, much of this is quite difficult in today's times.  We've become used to our coffee and tea, fruits and vegetables at any time, regardless of the season.  And who can really live without electricity and burn only wood, for example, for heat.  There is a trade-off of wood burning and the expense of using gas or oil or electricity for heating.  Many municipalities are now restricting the use of wood for burning due to the pollution it causes. 

Unfortunately, someone who decides to live locally and minimally often isn't the one who is affected the most.  Climbing the 9 flights of stairs with a baby is something that the wife would have to do, not the husband.  And she has to do the cooking and meal designs.  I'm sure they never experienced the effort at any other time and it was to be limited in time as well.  Living that way with no expectation of any change is quite different, although as a child we accept many things that we now would change without a second's thought.

Sorry, I like to live simply, but there are some things I won't change.  Been there done that and don't want to go back.

Linda
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     Posted Nov-2 8:29 AM   
Daryl/Ga/Zone 7a
 
From  Daryl/Ga/Zone 7a  Posts 13683  Last 6:30 AM
To  LindaHD      [Msg # 197539.5 Message 197539.5 replying to 197539.4 197539.4 ]    

I'm with you! I don't want ot give up central heat or electricity, and I love hot water from the faucet, not from a kettle heated on a wood stove. We had a flush toilet at my grandparents farm by the time I was about 4, though the outhouse was still there for a few more years for those kids who were more interested in staying outside than going through the house to the bathroom. There was always a danger of being asked to do a chore if one when inside. I don't remember using newspapers though, though I remember comments about soft toilet paper instead of an old catalog, so the switch must have been made not too long before.

I remember cold winter days with the wind howling around the house and ice on the nailheads. The house had a big kerosene heater in the dining room/all purpose room and a pipe that sent a bit of heat to the upstairs. There was a wood or trash burning stove in the kitchen that my grandfather used to fire up with a bit of kerosene (there was a tank next to the machine shed) every morning. I didn't spend too much time there during the winter, mostly at Christmas time, so I didn't experience all of the hardships.

I remember oranges and nuts at Christmas, too, though we always got some toy or book to go along with them. I remember my brother told me that Brazil nuts were baby toes so that I wouldn't touch them and he could grab my share. And I remember long winter evenings picking nuts, too. I still have one of the nut picks we used to use. That part was ok. My brother or father would crack them, very carefully, and the rest of us would pick and watch Disney with a big fire in the fireplace.

Still, I believe in living as lightly as we can within the bounds of reasonable comfort. My house is cooler than I'd like it to be during the winter, but with judicious use of a space heater in my office, and a flannel shirt or sweater (or both), I can be reasonably comfortable without spewing too much pollution. And it's amazing how much water you don't have to use. People don't often realize the cost to the environment of processing the thousands of gallons of potable water that we waste each year.

As you said, it's difficult to eat exclusively from what's grown within a few hundred miles, but do we need grapes from Chile during the winter? Or tomatoes from Mexico, or any of a dozen things we take for granted? I think not.

d

 

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     Posted Nov-2 9:05 AM   
LindaHD
 
From  LindaHD  Posts 631  Last 7:52 AM
To  Daryl/Ga/Zone 7a      [Msg # 197539.6 Message 197539.6 replying to 197539.5 197539.5 ]    
Daryl:  I agree about all the imported fruits and vegetables.  I have a freezer full of vegetables and shelving full of canned stuff.  I rarely buy jams because I make a lot of my own.  There are limitations, however,as I do like to have salads in the winter as well as summer.  But the tomatos are given up in favor of some pickled vegetables that I serve in the winter.  Overall, I think we live very differently than many of our neighbors and friends.  It's not because we can't afford to, it's because we choose to.  And, as for the food -- I know what I'm eating rather than have all the pesticides and preservatives of "store bought" food.

Linda
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     Posted Nov-2 9:18 AM   
Daryl/Ga/Zone 7a
 
From  Daryl/Ga/Zone 7a  Posts 13683  Last 6:30 AM
To  LindaHD      [Msg # 197539.7 Message 197539.7 replying to 197539.6 197539.6 ]    

When you mentioned pickled vegetables, I have to confess that I have a weakness for palm hearts and pickled artichokes on my winter salads, though I often  pass them by for canned fruit or home pickled beets.

d

 

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     Posted Nov-2 10:43 AM   
LindaHD
 
From  LindaHD  Posts 631  Last 7:52 AM
To  Daryl/Ga/Zone 7a      [Msg # 197539.8 Message 197539.8 replying to 197539.7 197539.7 ]    
Ah yes, the pickled artichoke hearts!  I'm ready for a nice big jar from Costco the next time we go.  We usually get some for our winter salads.  Sorry about the 150 miles.

Linda
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     Posted Nov-2 11:53 AM   
Daryl/Ga/Zone 7a
 
From  Daryl/Ga/Zone 7a  Posts 13683  Last 6:30 AM
To  LindaHD      [Msg # 197539.9 Message 197539.9 replying to 197539.8 197539.8 ]    

Even our ancestors enjoyed food from far away. I don't feel guilty about it, but I don't make a habit of it. Obviously, you don't, either, since you eat so much home grown and frozen-at-home food.

I think I need to make a Costco run. I have some lovely red peppers on a couple of plants that I dragged into the greenhouse before frost. With a few fresh greens, it will make a pretty salad.

d

 

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     Posted Nov-2 11:56 AM   
mjgallaway/WA St/Zone 6
 
From  mjgallaway/WA St/Zone 6  Posts 1901  Last 11:18 AM
To  LindaHD      [Msg # 197539.10 Message 197539.10 replying to 197539.4 197539.4 ]    

How that brings back memories!  The outdoor privy!

My aunt and uncle lived on "the farm" in Minnesota until the 1990s.  They didn't have running water or an indoor toilet until after 1982.  She had a big old cook stove in the middle of the living room to heat the house and to cook on until then. 

I can remember walking into the house and it was -30, snowing and blowing cold and that cook stove was pumping out the heat.  Nothing warms you up faster than that. :)  But like you said, it was good memories, but nothing that I would want to do or have the inclination to do today.

The house we are living in now didn't have central heat and air until 1988.  Joes mother would haul in wood every day for the wood stove to keep the house warm.  She would also get up every night about 3 times to stoke the stove.  It was after Joes Dad passed that she had had enough and had the central heat\air put in. Now on really cold days we will start a fire, but its only a couple of times a year if that.

Molly

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#11 of 11

     Posted Nov-2 12:34 PM   
Len Goran
 
From  Len Goran  Posts 985  Last 10:45 AM
To  Daryl/Ga/Zone 7a      [Msg # 197539.11 Message 197539.11 replying to 197539.5 197539.5 ]    
>do we need grapes from Chile<

Molly, only when it's used for their great inexpensive wines!  Regards, Len [g]
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