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How Not To Be Poor

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#1 of 30

     Posted 10/9/05 9:21 PM   
MikeB
 
From  MikeB  Posts 1401  Last 4/22/09
To  All      [Msg # 15333.1 ]    
Several have asked for a copy of Harold Melnick's classic letter to his kids. It was downloaded over 100,000 times in the old Investors Forum.

HOW NOT TO BE POOR

Copyright 1989-2005 Harold Melnick

My Dear Children...

Quite a few years ago I promised myself (and you) that I would not give you unasked-for advice. But, because I care very much about you, I am going to break that rule now. I am going to talk about money and the future -- your money, your future.

Though mothers and fathers give us life,
it is money alone which preserves it.

...Ihara Saikaku.

Money was never a big issue in our family when you were growing up. (At least, I don't think it was.) We didn't have a lot of it, but we didn't lack for what we needed. And you didn't grow up needing a lot of money, or being impressed by it. (Again, I think that's so.)

But I fear there was also not much in the way of money management for you to observe, either. Your Mother and I didn't really know much about managing our personal finances. She tended to be conservative -- don't buy what you don't need, put what you have in a safe place. I tended to spend, sometimes almost as fast as I made it, feeling that I could always make more.

But we didn't "manage" our money. We usually made enough to take care of what we needed and have some left over. But there was no idea of a budget, no disciplined savings, no plan for the future.


Managing Your Money

O money, money, I'm not necessarily one of those
who think thee holy,
But I often stop to wonder how thou canst go out
so fast when thou comest in so slowly.

...Ogden Nash.

During the past few years I finally organized our finances, prepared something of a budget -- or, at least know where the money's going -- and have learned something about financial planning.

So I hope you'll forgive me for intruding into your lives now to try to tell you about some things I wish I had known when I was younger. If you listen, then chose to disregard what I say, my feelings won't be hurt -- I probably wouldn't have listened either. And, anyway, free advice is usually worth only what you pay for it.

I'm going to tell you, in simple, general terms, how to evaluate where you are financially, and how to do better in the future. If you decide you want to know more or ask questions, I'll be glad to tell you what I can, and direct you to where you can get additional information.


How Much Are You Worth?

Money won't buy happiness; but it makes being unhappy
more comfortable.

How are you doing -- financially, that is? Here's a quick way to tell: How much money did you have 10 years ago? Five years ago? Today? If you're worth more now than then, you're going in the right direction. That was easy, wasn't it? The fact is, given the inflation we've had over the past ten years, you would need about $150 now for every $100 you had ten years ago just to keep your real buying power the same. I am going to tell you how you can improve your chances to keep your finances growing, maybe even do a better job of it.

But what if you're worth less now? Wait -- I know there were reasons. I don't plan to chide you about it. I just want to tell you how to get control of things and reverse the trend.

When you have money in your pocket you are handsome,
you are wise -- and you sing well, too.

...Jewish proverb.

Like it or not, how much money you have affects how you will live, and how most people view you and treat you. Not your friends and family, of course. We love you for what you really are. But life isn't fair. When you're sick or old or weak or in trouble -- well, how much money you have could determine how well you'll be treated, how much you'll suffer, how soon you'll get well, maybe whether you'll live or die.

You're not well-connected with rich friends, you won't get any insider tips for investing, your family isn't wealthy, you're not likely to inherit a great deal of money. You're going to have to make it on your own. What follows are some simple steps toward setting your financial house in order, and a simple plan for keeping it that way and improving your financial situation. It's not dependent on how much you make -- though the more you make, the easier it should be. And it won't necessarily be easy or painless. But whatever pain there is now

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     Posted 10/20/05 1:29 PM   
Larry B.
 
From  Larry B.  Posts 972  Last 11/13/08
To  MikeB      [Msg # 15333.3 Message 15333.3 replying to 15333.1 15333.1 ]    
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     Posted 10/20/05 1:40 PM   
MikeB
 
From  MikeB  Posts 1401  Last 4/22/09
To  Larry B.      [Msg # 15333.4 Message 15333.4 replying to 15333.3 15333.3 ]    
Thanks Larry--you beat me to it! -MB
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     Posted 12/8/05 9:57 PM   
MikeB
 
From  MikeB  Posts 1401  Last 4/22/09
To  All      [Msg # 15333.6 Message 15333.6 replying to 15333.4 15333.4 ]    
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     Posted 10/11/06 8:26 AM   
LJoanImlay
 
From  LJoanImlay  Posts 91  Last 1/28/07
To  MikeB      [Msg # 15333.7 Message 15333.7 replying to 15333.1 15333.1 ]    
Hi to all and to MikeB...
When you have money in your pocket you are handsome, you are wise and you can sing well too...
Pretty good...
I would like to write of something else about credit debt...
I wrote before that maybe all people in highschool or even grade school should be taught about money, credit and how to use it.
Many have disagreed with me about what I write about the learning of mathematics...They argue that everyone knows of math but I am not so sure...I read once that most people don't have a clue as to how much money they owe or where they owe it to.
In these times income is more complicated and with credit card debt and interest percentages charged. There may be some who don't know anything about percentages...There are some who don't know the meaning of 'interest'. There are some who don't know of subtraction...
I know this sounds impossible but again I am not so sure that this isn't true.
The reason I say this is because I watch people in the grocery store every day running a debit card through a slot in a machine and it comes back with no available funds...and they try again...surely, surely there must be some mistake...why only yesterday...or last week...or other I had money in the account...
But as luck would have it the money in the account is gone and they have to accept it.
There truly seems to be some kind of a failing of math information with this person. There have been no records kept as to how many times or how much was taken...They seem to think there is an endless supply...or so it seems.
The other is credit card debt which a credit card company advertises '$9000. engagement ring, airline tickets for mom and dad, meeting in the United States...priceless...
Well maybe...I have to turn that ad off on the TV because it makes me sick.
Maybe if we had an overall training for everyone as to what the credit card actually is, how it is to be used and and most importantly how the credit card is to be paid.
It is all warm and lovely when you first get the card or so the company would have you believe...but then the cold light of dawn comes on and there you are with a debt collection agency hounding the living daylights out of you...not so good.
It is hurtful and troublesome. I would also imagine that some don't even know what they are being hounded for. Of if they do they are confused...
So if you don't want to be poor don't buy a $9000. diamond ring on your 'priceless' credit card or other...
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     Posted 10/13/06 8:31 AM   
smokeshepherd
 
From  smokeshepherd  Posts 539  Last Sep-17
To  LJoanImlay      [Msg # 15333.8 Message 15333.8 replying to 15333.7 15333.7 ]    

Joan:

 

You said, "...I have to turn that ad off on the TV because it makes me sick."

I feel the same way.  I am appalled at all the marketing that goes behind getting people to use credit.  I am not opposed to credit cards per se ... I use them all the time.  But i pay them in full each month.  This allows me to automatically download my spending each month into my computer where I can keep track of my spending habits.

In 2005 I was able to eliminate ALL my debt.  No mortgage, no car payments, everything I own has been paid for in full.  the amazing thing about this is that now we are able to live comfortably on social security without touching our savings.  We had, in the past, reached the point where we were spending more on interest, than on anything else.  It is appalling how much interest costs you each month when you begin living your life on credit.  If I had my life to live over again, I would have never used one penny of credit.  Yes, this means I would have had to wait longer to get a car or a house, but then I would have ended up with a much bigger house and a fancier car.  <g>

I believe it is the youthful impatience to "own things right away" that the credit card companies feed upon.  As I grew older and wiser I reached the point where I could not wait to get rid of all my expensive and troublesome "things" and lead an uncluttered life where I began to really enjoy my surroundings and other people.


 

 

Smoky

 

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     Posted 10/13/06 5:23 PM   
Angela R. Alaimo
 
From  Angela R. Alaimo  Posts 391  Last 10/9/07
To  smokeshepherd      [Msg # 15333.9 Message 15333.9 replying to 15333.8 15333.8 ]    

>>As I grew older and wiser I reached the point where I could not wait to get rid of all my expensive and troublesome "things" and lead an uncluttered life where I began to really enjoy my surroundings and other people.<<

Hiya Smokes.  I have already reached that stage of my life.  As the years go by, I feel the need for less things.  Granted, we have a mortgage, but it's likely miniscule compared to most. 

btw, I got this way from hiking, mostly.  When you carry every need on your back, you realise quickly just how much you actually need. ^_^ 

A

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#10 of 30

     Posted 10/15/06 2:41 PM   
smokeshepherd
 
From  smokeshepherd  Posts 539  Last Sep-17
To  Angela R. Alaimo      [Msg # 15333.10 Message 15333.10 replying to 15333.9 15333.9 ]    

Sparky  .. er Angela!

I sort of noticed that about you over the years.  Your messages became more and more oriented to cooking a good meal, enjoying a nice wine, taking a pleasant hike... the good and simple things in life.

My wife finds it a little bit harder to be this way than I do.  Her clothes take up 80% of the closet and drawers, yet she only wears 5 % of them.  She has about 20 pairs of shoes that travel compared to my 2 pairs plus a pair of "crocs".  I would do fine with 2 pairs of shorts, 2 long pants, 5 tee shirts, 2 golf shirts, and small supply of underwear.  I have more because she buys me more.  Sometimes I think I am her "dress up doll".  <g>

She misses having a stick house, but still gets very excited about the magic carpet of a house on wheels.  Initially she hated the idea of a campfire, but now she will spend hours by the fire, having learned what a great way it is to meet other people and strengthen existing friendships.  Watching a sunset by the campfire over a good wine (or in my case a single malt) beats almost anything money can buy.  Yeah wines and single malts cost money ... but a few luxuries are in the budget.

Of course our house on wheels did cost a small fortune (about the same value as our stick house) but we paid cash for it and paid off the old house mortgage.  The wheel house will depreciate faster than a stick house ... that is the downside ... but we bought quality and it should last our lifetime with modest repairs and updates.

I have a signature I use on some of my favorite RVing forums:

Smoky S

The magic of a campfire
where the fish get bigger
the mountains get higher
the hike was uphill both ways
and new friends become old friends

2005 KSDP3910 Newmar Kountry Star
Toad - Taurus wagon w/ axle lock
Currently at Phoenix AZ

 

 

Smoky

 

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     Posted 10/20/06 5:07 PM   
Angela R. Alaimo
 
From  Angela R. Alaimo  Posts 391  Last 10/9/07
To  smokeshepherd      [Msg # 15333.11 Message 15333.11 replying to 15333.10 15333.10 ]    

I've got Crocs, too!  <g>  If it were up to me, those would be the only shoes necessary.  And some hiking boots, too.  I've even ordered a pair without the holes for the winter. 

There is an expression I've heard about what happens when "you stop owning your possessions and your possessions begin to own you".  We've got a friend who has a lot of "toys", and he is constantly fixing them, buying new parts for them, maintaining them, getting new toys.  Makes me tired just hearing about it!

I like your little RV quote.  Sounds just right and very true.  We always hike uphill, both ways. <g>

Sparks

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     Posted 10/21/06 11:49 AM   
Bruce Fredericks [M&I]
 
From  Bruce Fredericks [M&I]  Posts 1117  Last Nov-24
To  smokeshepherd      [Msg # 15333.12 Message 15333.12 replying to 15333.10 15333.10 ]    

Smoky,

It's truly a wonderful feeling to realize how rich you are when you realize how much you don't need!

Cheers . . .

Bruce

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     Posted 10/22/06 8:29 PM   
smokeshepherd
 
From  smokeshepherd  Posts 539  Last Sep-17
To  Angela R. Alaimo      [Msg # 15333.13 Message 15333.13 replying to 15333.11 15333.11 ]    

If it were up to me, those would be the only shoes necessary.

Amen to that Angela!

Do you wear your straps over the foot or behind the heel.  I have tried both ways and like behind the heel best for me.

 

Smoke

 

 

Smoky

 

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     Posted 10/22/06 8:30 PM   
smokeshepherd
 
From  smokeshepherd  Posts 539  Last Sep-17
To  Bruce Fredericks [M&I]      [Msg # 15333.14 Message 15333.14 replying to 15333.12 15333.12 ]    
Well said, Bruce.

 

Smoky

 

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     Posted 10/24/06 4:42 PM   
Len S.
 
From  Len S.  Posts 125  Last 2/13/09
To  smokeshepherd      [Msg # 15333.15 Message 15333.15 replying to 15333.14 15333.14 ]    
Boy, 13,700 and some people have read this message line.  "How not to be Poor" really catches peoples attention.

I agree that not paying 12-20% on credit card loans is a very good starting point.  It seems simple but is so so hard for many people.  It surprises me many times at the posting I see on this and other financial web sites.  Even many people who have been able to save or get some cash have no idea of what to do with it or how to handle it.   Save in a 401k, 403b, or IRA  but yet have no idea what they are or the rules that govern them.  People who own stock or mutual funds but have no idea what they are investing in.  Some times in the news there articles about retires who have lost it all because they get hocked by an investment "expert" who says he/she can make them 20+% on their money year in and year out.  Who says the Brooklyn Bridge still isn't for sale??

There are so many GOOD books out there that can help.  I am not referring to the "Make a Million by this Weekend" type books but real how to save and invest books.  So, I would really recommend that if people do not want to be poor that they should INVEST some of their time and start READING financial books.  You can even get them for free if you go to your public library.

If people do not want to be on the margins of financial security then they do need to invest some of their time and effort into the task.  First lesson: nothing is free.  Not credit cards, not financial security.
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     Posted 10/24/06 11:17 PM   
smokeshepherd
 
From  smokeshepherd  Posts 539  Last Sep-17
To  Len S.      [Msg # 15333.16 Message 15333.16 replying to 15333.15 15333.15 ]    

the problem is that the credit card provides something people cannot get any other way... instant gratification of having it RIGHT NOW. Most people would rather have a few things right now than many many things later on.

Smoke

 

Smoky

 

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     Posted 10/27/06 5:05 PM   
Angela R. Alaimo
 
From  Angela R. Alaimo  Posts 391  Last 10/9/07
To  smokeshepherd      [Msg # 15333.17 Message 15333.17 replying to 15333.13 15333.13 ]    

Behind the heel.  I, too, have tried both ways and it's just more comfortable that way.  Don't have to worry about keeping your shoes on.

What color do you have?  I've got Molto Mario orange, red, and the winter ones (arrived Wed.) are sea blue. 

Sammy's got a pair of the flip-flop style for shower shoes.  He loves them, too.  We just have to keep spreading the word--think how much more pleasant the world would be if not only did no one's feet hurt, they were a riot of color. :-p

Sparks

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     Posted 10/29/06 3:46 PM   
smokeshepherd
 
From  smokeshepherd  Posts 539  Last Sep-17
To  Angela R. Alaimo      [Msg # 15333.18 Message 15333.18 replying to 15333.17 15333.17 ]    

Sparks:

I have two pairs.  One is standard "male" black and are my every day pair.  3 years old.  The strap finally broke on the right hand one, so aI reattached it with black cable tie.  <g>

My dress pair is Psychedelic Orange!  You should see me when I am dressed to go to the pool!  I wear my orange Cabella baseball cap, my orange dragon Hawaiian style shirt, my bright orange swimming trunks, and, of course, my Psycho orange crocs.  I try to ignore the "Quack, quack, quack" duck calls as I flop around in the pool with my orange crocks.  <g>  If The Admiral gets back here in time, I will break out the camera, dress for the pool, and upload my "dress outfit".

Wow, my Baltimore Ravens are killing the Darlings of the NFK, the New Orleans Saints.  35 to 14 at the moment with 12 minutes to go in the final quarter. 

I have to admit, if it were any other team playing the Saints than my Ravens, I would be rooting like the devil for New Orleans.  I really admire the effort that city is making and admire the great effort of their football team, the Cinderella team of 2006 with a 5 and 1 record.  Soon to be 5 and 2 after the Ravens I hope.  <g>  I think Billick did the right thing firing his offense coach, Jim Fossil.  Billick is calling the plays himself now and the Raven office looks like a crisp new team.  Of course their defense is as usual, quite awesome.  I was so mad at the pregame show... not a single sportscaster favored the Ravens.

Cincinnati is losing to the Falcons (sorry Chip) and that makes me happy because it will put the Ravens in first place by themselves after today.  <g>

 

Smoky

 

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     Posted 4/1/07 6:52 AM   
idenisa
 
From  idenisa  Posts 1  Last 4/15/09
To  MikeB      [Msg # 15333.19 Message 15333.19 replying to 15333.4 15333.4 ]    
HI mike: I am new in this... I would like to get advise from you ... if you like to help
I am student almost finishing my B.A in public accounting. I do not where to start to look for it . I am working for a non-profit org,but I am not happy because my job is limited in opportunities,and it is not challenge enough. I am a middle age person who decide to go back to school. please Mike... takes sometime to read my email and bring a light to my dream.
Thank Iderisa
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     Posted 4/1/07 11:10 AM   
Gretchen, EA
 
From  Gretchen, EA  Posts 1760  Last Nov-24
To  idenisa      [Msg # 15333.20 Message 15333.20 replying to 15333.19 15333.19 ]    

One thing you might consider is doing some free-lance accouning for small businesses.

The way you find those jobs is to call or write every non-CPA tax person in the phone book (wait until after April 17, please) and announce that you are available to help their clients who need bookkeeping. Tell them what program you use (Quickbooks is th emost popular, even though it doesn't leave an audit trail) and about your experience.

CPAs often have staff to do accounting for their clients, but other tax professionals -- enrolled agents and those licensed by the state -- are often sole proprietors with no employees and know how to use a referral list!

Good luck.

I could have called someone like you about 3 or  4 clients this year, since February 1st.

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