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* Fox Flu Story Denied by White Ho

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#1 of 215

     Posted Nov-3 3:25 PM   
John Linendoll
 
From  John Linendoll  Posts 9082  Last Nov-24
To  All      [Msg # 226307.1 ]    

Fox Flu Story Denied by White House

While so many Americans are wondering when -- or whether -- they'll receive scarce flu vaccine, Fox News this week inflamed passions with claims the Obama administration planned to vaccinate Guantánamo detainees.  The White House denied that, but Fox is sticking to its story.  Whom do you believe and why?

AP and CBS were among those reporting by Monday that "terrorism suspects held at the Guantanamo Bay naval base will soon get swine flu vaccines, despite complaints that American civilians should have priority, a military spokesman said Sunday."

Critical of the reported decision of the administration to use scarce vaccine on detainees, Fox News launched a series of reports including one headlined "Pentagon: Gitmo Detainees to Receive H1N1 Vaccine, Despite White House Claim."

When White House spokesman Robert Gibbs denied the Fox report, that network responded by publishing Mr. Gibbs' denial in a report headlined "White House Responds to Report Terror Suspects Get Priority Treatment for H1N1 Virus."

Fox included a video clip and transcript, which reads:

  WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY ROBERT GIBBS: There is no vaccine in Guantanamo, and there's no vaccine on the way to Guantanamo.

  QUESTION: So the Pentagon was wrong when they confirmed that on Friday?

  GIBBS: I — I don't know what the Pentagon said. I — I know, in asking yesterday, whether or not there was any vaccine there or whether there was any vaccine that was on its way, the answer to both those questions was — was no.

  QUESTION: Is that because of the White House stopped it or...

  GIBBS: No, that was because there wasn't any there, and there wasn't any on the way.

What do _you_ think is happening and why?  Whom do you believe?

[Views expressed are those of the author(s) and do not necessarily reflect those of CompuServe, Netscape, any government, agency, or news organization.]


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#2 of 215

     Posted Nov-3 3:38 PM   
John Linendoll
 
From  John Linendoll  Posts 9082  Last Nov-24
To  All      [Msg # 226307.2 Message 226307.2 replying to 226307.1 226307.1 ]    
Do you think it's a coincidence that Fox's headline is being pushed on the day when people in several states are going to the polls?
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     Posted Nov-3 3:41 PM   
John Linendoll
 
From  John Linendoll  Posts 9082  Last Nov-24
To  All      [Msg # 226307.3 Message 226307.3 replying to 226307.2 226307.2 ]    

Now it's Fox News versus the White House on a question of truth and credibility:

In your opinion, who's telling the truth: Fox or the White House?

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#4 of 215

     Posted Nov-3 3:42 PM   
John Linendoll
 
From  John Linendoll  Posts 9082  Last Nov-24
To  All      [Msg # 226307.4 Message 226307.4 replying to 226307.3 226307.3 ]    
                                    File:Robert Gibbs.jpg
                                          White House Spokesman Robert Gibbs
                                                    photo courtesy Wikipedia
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     Posted Nov-3 4:12 PM   
EdwardAgrisea
 
From  EdwardAgrisea  Posts 1086  Last 5:16 AM
To  John Linendoll      [Msg # 226307.5 Message 226307.5 replying to 226307.1 226307.1 ]    
Right wingers & Republicans always claim that the liberal media manipulates voters to vote against them, yet here is FOX, caught in the act, reporting a story to sway voters on election day. Is the story Fox is reporting true? Who exactly would know one way or the other?

Who do I believe, in this case? Not Fox.

Nice title there John: "* Fox Flu Story Denied by White Ho" Need another editor perhaps? <g>


[Views expressed are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of CompuServe, AOL, any government, agency, or news organization.]
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     Posted Nov-3 4:43 PM   
eandcbern
 
From  eandcbern  Posts 73  Last Nov-3
To  John Linendoll      [Msg # 226307.6 Message 226307.6 replying to 226307.1 226307.1 ]    
I don't believe anything from the glib Mr. Gibbs. If Fox's source
is the Pentagon then why question Fox's credibility? The mainstream
media will not report anything that would reflect badly on the
administration. Fox is fair and balanced and is keeping us informed.
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     Posted Nov-3 5:07 PM   
John Linendoll
 
From  John Linendoll  Posts 9082  Last Nov-24
To  EdwardAgrisea      [Msg # 226307.7 Message 226307.7 replying to 226307.5 226307.5 ]    

Right wingers & Republicans always claim that the liberal media manipulates voters to vote against them, yet here is FOX, caught in the act, reporting a story that is not true.

Who do I believe? Not Fox.

Thanks, Ed! :)

But what will be the "proof" by means of which Americans can judge who's telling the truth in this case?

Very best wishes,

      -  John

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#8 of 215

     Posted Nov-3 5:14 PM   
John Linendoll
 
From  John Linendoll  Posts 9082  Last Nov-24
To  eandcbern      [Msg # 226307.8 Message 226307.8 replying to 226307.6 226307.6 ]    

I don't believe anything from the glib Mr. Gibbs. If Fox's source
is the Pentagon then why question Fox's credibility?

That's a good point.  Do we yet know whether the Pentagon is disputing Fox's report of what they are supposed to have said?  Would that be a first?

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     Posted Nov-3 5:18 PM   
Wedge
 
From  Wedge  Posts 6787  Last Nov-24
To  EdwardAgrisea      [Msg # 226307.9 Message 226307.9 replying to 226307.5 226307.5 ]    

I agree Ed. I agree that FOX is probably using this to manipulate voters today. I don't claim to know the validity of their story, for all I know it could be true, but I know enough about the track record of FOX news to be near certain that they timed this to coincide with the voting.

About the vaccine, I had not heard Gibbs speak, if he claims it is not true, then I am inclined to believe him over FOX and will wait for the truth to come out before I firm up my opinion.

BUT... If it's true, is there a reason that it should not be allowed? We have people locked up who may or may not be terrorists. The key part of that is naturally the "or MAY NOT" part. I don't see where we can morally refuse vaccine to people who we could possibly have locked up illegally, and who have done nothing. I'm sure I'll hear all the other views on this as soon as I send it to post, where it's perfectly moral to kill a few innocent people in the process, and I won't be agreeing, so in the words of GWB... Bring it on!

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     Posted Nov-3 5:43 PM   
yworrynemore
 
From  yworrynemore  Posts 2927  Last Nov-23
To  Wedge      [Msg # 226307.10 Message 226307.10 replying to 226307.9 226307.9 ]    
BUT... If it's true, is there a reason that it should not be allowed?

Where's the negative in this story? If we allowed the prisoners to die without having given them the vaccine it would be another reason to hate America. And a reason for the world to distrust Obama.

Giving them the vaccine is only positive press for the Obama admin through out the world.

Uhm, take a lemon and make lemonaide.
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     Posted Nov-3 6:00 PM   
briezy
 
From  briezy  Posts 2551  Last Nov-24
To  John Linendoll      [Msg # 226307.11 Message 226307.11 replying to 226307.1 226307.1 ]    

<<CNN was among those to broadcast the _correct_ information this morning, straight from the mouth of White House spokesman Gibbs.>>

<<What do _you_ think happened?>>

But just what is the correct information?

Until this morning all of the major news outlets including CNN had stories about the Pentagon saying that detainees at GITMO would be getting the H1N1 vacine.

Fox News only reported on what they were  told by a Pentagon spokesman, which should be easy to verify,  AFTER Gibbs made his remarks. At least they didn't say they got the information thru an anonymous source.

[Guantanamo Bay detainees will be receiving the H1N1 vaccine, the Pentagon confirmed Tuesday, even though White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said minutes earlier that the vaccine is not "on the way." 

Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said Gibbs was correct in saying the vaccine is not currently on its way, but clarified that it will be at the naval base on Cuba by the end of November. 

"The department has an obligation to care for persons in its custody and we take that seriously," Whitman told Fox News. "There is a limited supply of this vaccine so we have prioritized our population." 

Whitman said the vaccine would go first to deployed forces, then active duty, then health care workers, then detainees and then non-American contractors working for the Department of Defense.] 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/03/pentagon-gitmo-detainees-receive-hn-vaccine-despite-white-house-claim/

As to who is "lying". Surely not Gibbs, the White House or Fox !! So it must be the Pentagon.

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#12 of 215

     Posted Nov-3 6:21 PM   
willi462
 
From  willi462  Posts 34  Last Nov-10
To  John Linendoll      [Msg # 226307.12 Message 226307.12 replying to 226307.1 226307.1 ]    

It's a sad day for Human Kind when people actually believe ANYTHING the government spits out. As those of us who witness this exact same garbage during the 60's & 70's can attest to, the governments job is to keep Americans as uninformed as possible.

Hence, "Ignorance of the law is no excuse." They aren't going to tell you what the law is, because if they do, they can't make money off of fines and fees. Besides, the Human Species being the most intelligent creature in the universe, hence, "created equal" NOT because we are human and therefore deserve it, but because we are all endowed with the most complex thinking apparatus. We should have the tenacity to go seek the information ourselves. If you have to be told what is true  or false, you deserve to be scammed.  That's how we got out of the caves. Now they are taking us back.

Just like its the Democratic Party's job to keep "Minorities" as poor and unsuccessful as possible by nickle & dime social services and half truth information. The Democratic -Socialists Party was created in 1871 in Stockholm Sweden, home of the Swiss Bank accounts of the Fortune 400 (the BILLIONAIRES), The Fortune 500 (The MILLIONAIRES), and the WHITEST, WHITE people who own Wall Street and live in $50 million dollar homes in the Hamptons. Lots of "minorities" living amongst them, heh? (a few, but in servitude positions).

This is how they make their money through bogus "Social causes" via grants, non-profits (tax shelters) and donations. All of the 140,000 "non-profits (501 (3)" organizations are umbrella organizations for the Fortune 400. See: the foundation.org

The H1N1 scenario has already been done, twice. First in the 50's and then in the 70's. They exact same thing occured. Its a money making opportunity for the big guns. General Electric owns Exelon Pharmacueticals, they are the grantees. $$$$$ Whoever pays the highest price gets the "vaccine" first. Scare you into believing you need something when you don't. Classic DLP.

No person can say for certian anything is true or false unless you actually witness events for themselves. So,  CNN or Fox News are both telling the truth and lying. Its a Moot point.

Get a clue...read a pre-1964 book. It will enlighten you.

 

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     Posted Nov-4 7:28 AM   
gdee469
 
From  gdee469  Posts 1  Last Nov-6
To  John Linendoll      [Msg # 226307.13 Message 226307.13 replying to 226307.3 226307.3 ]    
The White house is LYING,   will contine to do so as long as it is run by Obans and the 34 Zars!!!
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     Posted Nov-4 9:32 AM   
dhowell755
 
From  dhowell755  Posts 192  Last Nov-16
To  John Linendoll      [Msg # 226307.14 Message 226307.14 replying to 226307.1 226307.1 ]    
Habitual lies and contradictions come out of the "White House".
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#15 of 215

     Posted Nov-4 12:46 PM   
travers1962
 
From  travers1962  Posts 667  Last Nov-24
To  John Linendoll      [Msg # 226307.15 Message 226307.15 replying to 226307.1 226307.1 ]    
I guess it makes sense if we are still getting information out of the detainees.  Keep them alive as long as possible. 
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#16 of 215

     Posted Nov-4 12:53 PM   
Wedge
 
From  Wedge  Posts 6787  Last Nov-24
To  yworrynemore      [Msg # 226307.16 Message 226307.16 replying to 226307.10 226307.10 ]    

::: Where's the negative in this story? :::

Did we just agree again? Where's the fun in this?

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#17 of 215

     Posted Nov-4 12:56 PM   
lulu
 
From  lulu  Posts 17749  Last Nov-24
To  willi462      [Msg # 226307.17 Message 226307.17 replying to 226307.12 226307.12 ]    
*groan*...The Jungle, by Sinclair Lewis?  meets your criteria of prior to 1964.

American corporations are determined to keep the American population in general blind to their shenanigans.

Its that simple.


Lulu

 "Anti-Choice = Pro female slavery"

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     Posted Nov-4 2:24 PM   
John Linendoll
 
From  John Linendoll  Posts 9082  Last Nov-24
To  Wedge      [Msg # 226307.18 Message 226307.18 replying to 226307.9 226307.9 ]    

I agree that FOX is probably using this to manipulate voters today. I don't claim to know the validity of their story, for all I know it could be true, but I know enough about the track record of FOX news to be near certain that they timed this to coincide with the voting.

Good point, Wedge: Certainly, the timing is suspicious.  But is the story accurate?

Is it beginning to appear that President Obama can't be relied upon to tell the truth to the American people?

Very best wishes,

      -  John


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     Posted Nov-4 2:28 PM   
John Linendoll
 
From  John Linendoll  Posts 9082  Last Nov-24
To  Wedge      [Msg # 226307.19 Message 226307.19 replying to 226307.9 226307.9 ]    

About the vaccine, I had not heard Gibbs speak, if he claims it is not true, then I am inclined to believe him over FOX....

But do we know about what precisely we're being asked to believe Mr. Gibbs?

Here's Fox's transcript: 

WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY ROBERT GIBBS: There is no vaccine in Guantanamo, and there's no vaccine on the way to Guantanamo.

  QUESTION: So the Pentagon was wrong when they confirmed that on Friday?

  GIBBS: I — I don't know what the Pentagon said. I — I know, in asking yesterday, whether or not there was any vaccine there or whether there was any vaccine that was on its way, the answer to both those questions was — was no.

  QUESTION: Is that because of the White House stopped it or...

  GIBBS: No, that was because there wasn't any there, and there wasn't any on the way.

Thoughts, anyone?

Very best wishes,

       -  John

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     Posted Nov-4 2:39 PM   
John Linendoll
 
From  John Linendoll  Posts 9082  Last Nov-24
To  Wedge      [Msg # 226307.20 Message 226307.20 replying to 226307.9 226307.9 ]    

BUT... If it's true, is there a reason that it should not be allowed? We have people locked up who may or may not be terrorists.

Should at least _some_ innocent people be locked up if we are not to risk having terrorists running around loose?

Very best wishes,

        -  John

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