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#1 of 20 Posted Oct-30 10:39 AM

From dorothyb222 Posts 1092 Last Nov-24
To All [Msg # 34895.1 ]

Hi All,

I received an e-mail "Thank You" for coming, from PhotoPlus Expo. They have videos of the Expo which you may enjoy watching. Here's the website:

http://www.photoplusexpo.com/ppe/5300/video/index.jsp

Dorothy

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#2 of 20 Posted Oct-30 7:59 PM

From Cristen Posts 2345 Last Nov-24
To dorothyb222 [Msg # 34895.2 34895.1 ]

Fun to see. Thanks. I'm afraid that Leica is one of those "if you have to ask the price, you can't afford it" cameras, but wouldn't it be a dream to use.

Cristen

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#3 of 20 Posted Oct-30 8:04 PM

From Fred O. - BDL Posts 328 Last 1:40 AM
To Cristen [Msg # 34895.3 34895.2 ]

<<"but wouldn't it be a dream to use.">>

Only if you like the lenses sufficiently to manage the rest of it.

Of course, the lenses are so good that they justify a lot....<G>
Fred

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#4 of 20 Posted Oct-30 8:12 PM

From Cristen Posts 2345 Last Nov-24
To Fred O. - BDL [Msg # 34895.4 34895.3 ]

> Of course, the lenses are so good that they justify a lot....<G>

I'm sure I could learn to like those lenses. And basically medium format quality in a smaller body? What's not to like. Even if I had to change what I shoot to match the lenses. I could do that. <G>

Cristen

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#5 of 20 Posted Oct-30 8:32 PM

From Fred O. - BDL Posts 328 Last 1:40 AM
To Cristen [Msg # 34895.5 34895.4 ]

<<"I'm sure I could learn to like those lenses. And basically medium format quality in a smaller body? What's not to like. Even if I had to change what I shoot to match the lenses. I could do that. <G>">>
Until you price them..........
Fred

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#6 of 20 Posted Oct-30 10:29 PM

From dorothyb222 Posts 1092 Last Nov-24
To Cristen [Msg # 34895.6 34895.2 ]

Hi Cristen,

I'm glad you're enjoying them.

I never even stopped at the Leica booth. Really, unless one has a burning desire for a specific reason, there are so many crowds around each of the famous booths - they all look like magnets surrounded by metal particles - you really have to fight or worm your way up to the counters - and then when you do there are 15 people behind and beside you waiting to get a word in edgewise. I didn't stop at the Nikon camera booth either. I went behind their main sales booth(s) to the Capture NX demo.

By the way, I was also really taken by the Nik Viveza plug-ins that can render your images in whatever film you prefer. The demonstrator gave a quick review of that particular plug in. Kodachrome, of course, but then he also demonstrated black and white films. I don't know who here has ever used Panatomic X, but that was my favorite b/w film. A very smooth and creamy image is the way I always thought of it. And sure enough, the plug in has that! Someday when I can spend more money I'm going to get it.

Dorothy

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#7 of 20 Posted Oct-31 11:02 AM

From Cristen Posts 2345 Last Nov-24
To dorothyb222 [Msg # 34895.7 34895.6 ]

> there are so many crowds around each of the famous booths - they all look like magnets surrounded by metal particles

<BG> Love the descriptiveness of that. The videos show the event wasn't scantily attended. You'd think in a recession, an event like that wouldn't have quite the draw, but people seem willing enough to ignore the recession at least to look.

> I was also really taken by the Nik Viveza plug-ins that can render your images in whatever film you prefer.

I have some of that in the Color Efex Pro plugin--color film. I seem to recall Silver Efex Pro also had a "choose your classic B&W film" section.

Alien Skin was, I think, the first to come out with a plugin -- Exposure -- that offered a selection of presets that mimic film types. Unfortunately, I can't afford all the plugins, anymore than I can afford a Leica.

When we complain about noise in our digital cameras, we can simply open an image in one of these plugins and start looking at different film types. Grain often is showing at ISO 100. By ISO 400, it's most definitely a creative feature of the image.

> Someday when I can spend more money I'm going to get it.

These features are reasons plugins become worth the money. Even if you could work up the effect in PS, you'd be spending a lot of time and effort trying to get it right, and then, not having a complete filter for the look, it would quite possibly have to be reworked for every image. I did make actions where I created similar effects to several of the Nik effects, but then I still had to go through a lot to fine-tune the results for each image.

Cristen

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#8 of 20 Posted Oct-31 11:05 AM

From Cristen Posts 2345 Last Nov-24
To Fred O. - BDL [Msg # 34895.8 34895.5 ]

> Until you price them..........

I think if I could afford the Leica, I'd probably be able to afford the lenses. It's not something you forget to add in<G>

SInce in my lifetime I doubt I'll come close to affording it, and with what's left of my life I doubt the Leica would make me that much better a photographer (maybe a very happy one, but not so much a better one), it's all just a pipe dream.

Cristen

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#9 of 20 Posted Oct-31 11:30 AM

From dorothyb222 Posts 1092 Last Nov-24
To Cristen [Msg # 34895.9 34895.8 ]

Cristen, Fred,

I think the Leica ($22,500!!) would go well with my Maserati, when I buy it <g>.

Dorothy

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#10 of 20 Posted Oct-31 11:44 AM

From Nancy Crays Posts 695 Last 5:49 AM
To dorothyb222 [Msg # 34895.10 34895.9 ]

Shoot, I'll sell you a Leica for a tiny fraction of that. The only catch is that it is about 60 years old. <G>

Nancy C.
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#11 of 20 Posted Oct-31 11:54 AM

From Fred O. - BDL Posts 328 Last 1:40 AM
To Cristen [Msg # 34895.11 34895.7 ]

<<"When we complain about noise in our digital cameras, we can simply open an image in one of these plugins and start looking at different film types. Grain often is showing at ISO 100. By ISO 400, it's most definitely a creative feature of the image.">>
Cristen -
Since I remember that as well, and still experience it, getting clean ISO 200 from the Canon G-10 seems a step up.
<G>
Fred

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#12 of 20 Posted Oct-31 12:00 PM

From Cristen Posts 2345 Last Nov-24
To dorothyb222 [Msg # 34895.12 34895.9 ]

> I think the Leica ($22,500!!) would go well with my Maserati

It's obvious you are a woman of taste and discernment. Right after I buy all those plugins, I'll stop by the Leica dealer, although in my neck of the woods, I think I'll have to travel far to get to a Leica dealer, so that Maserati might be a necessity to convey me thither. '-}

Cristen

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#13 of 20 Posted Oct-31 12:04 PM

From Cristen Posts 2345 Last Nov-24
To Fred O. - BDL [Msg # 34895.13 34895.11 ]

> Since I remember that as well, and still experience it, getting clean ISO 200 from the Canon G-10 seems a step up.

When ASA 800 negative film came out, I took a picture that was indoors -- well, what was 800 for, if not to take pictures indoors without flash? <G> It had that lovely, muted, underexposed dusty look that I remembered from the film with Richard Burton and Liz Taylor -- The Taming of the Shrew. Very soft Renaissance colors, and not too clean.

I was never able to repeat that happy accident with the film, but then in those days, at those prices, I really wasn't all that much up for experimenting.

Cristen

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#14 of 20 Posted Oct-31 12:08 PM

From Nancy Crays Posts 695 Last 5:49 AM
To Fred O. - BDL [Msg # 34895.14 34895.11 ]

When I got my first digital camera, I set the ISO at 100. I couldn't believe anyone thought 400 took high quality photos. I was just used to shooting with ISO 25 - 100, mostly the latter.

Nancy C.
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#15 of 20 Posted Nov-3 8:32 AM

From dorothyb222 Posts 1092 Last Nov-24
To Cristen [Msg # 34895.15 34895.7 ]

Cristen -

>The videos show the event wasn't scantily attended. You'd think in a recession, an event like that wouldn't have quite the draw<

I realize that the videos they have posted are of last year's Expo. Nevertheless, the crowds were just the same as they are in the videos.

>These features are reasons plugins become worth the money. Even if you could work up the effect in PS, you'd be spending a lot of time and effort trying to get it right, and then, not having a complete filter for the look<

I doubt that I would ever even attempt to work up a specific film effect in PS. For me it's the plug-ins or forget it <g>! But not at the moment.

Dorothy

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