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#1 of 17 Posted Nov-4 3:36 AM

From George A Posts 10217 Last 8:57 AM
To All [Msg # 168397.1 ]

Saudi Arabia's Court of Cesession has approved the crucifixion of a child rapist. He raped five children and left one (a 3yo) to die in the desert.

Alas, the Saudis behead them first.

I should think someone like that deserves to die by crucifixion. If done by tying rather than nailing to avoid blood loss, it can be drawn out for as much as three days, according to Roman records.

Beheading is far too merciful in such cases.

Of course, the usual suspects among the Tranzis (short for "transnational progressive ") are up in arms about the "cruelty" of Saudi justice.

But, one must admit the Saudis don't have a recidivism problem, which generally can't be said for our own criminal justice system.

Tranzi, BTW is short for "transnational progressive," a group noted by its desire to extend its authority internationally, but be exempt from accountability by any nation over whom it extends authority.

If the United Nations had it's druthers it would be so by law. Fortunately, it doesn't have that kind of authority and one hopes, never will.

OTOH, the Saudis have executed about 40 people in the last year or so, which is fairly large number when counted on a per capita basis.

The theory that they're extinguishing their capital criminals by swift justice does not seem to be supported.

Does capital punishment, paradoxically, seem to actually stimulate commission of capital crimes?

There is data to suggest that, also.

The method of "postulating" what we want has many advantages; 
they are the same as the advantages of theft over honest toil.

Bertrand Russell

Edited Nov-4 by George A

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#2 of 17 Posted Nov-4 1:27 PM

From Ivy [Staff] Posts 17897 Last 11:03 AM
To George A [Msg # 168397.2 168397.1 ]

George,

From the article: "In Saudi Arabia, crucifixion means tying the body of the convict to wooden beams to be displayed to the public after beheading."

Nasty! Why should the public endure seeing such a grisly sight? It seems like a collective punishment.

-Ivy

Edited Nov-4 by Ivy [Staff]

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#3 of 17 Posted Nov-4 3:06 PM

From Véronique Posts 3564 Last 10:18 AM
To Ivy [Staff] [Msg # 168397.3 168397.2 ]

>> Nasty! Why should the public endure seeing such a grisly sight? It seems like a collective punishment. <<

The Romans used crucifixion for that very reason: to execute the person they deemed a criminal in a very public way as a deterrent to others. "This is what happens to enemies of the Empire." It probably worked.

~ Véronique

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#4 of 17 Posted Nov-4 4:32 PM

From Mark Mc Posts 11610 Last 7:34 AM
To Véronique [Msg # 168397.4 168397.3 ]

>>>The Romans used crucifixion for that very reason: to execute the person they deemed a criminal in a very public way as a deterrent to others. <<<

Big time! During the war that began in 66, the Romans literally built a wooden wall around Jerusalem*. Anyone caught attempting to escape the city was summarily crucified on that wall, facing the city walls. Up to 500 people a day were nailed to those walls. This is part of the reason I don't think many if any of the original Jerusalem community survived. And why Pauline Christianity forged ahead.

Here's a WIKI ARTICLE that covers the trench/wall building. *As you'll see, there's some debate as to whether the wall was dirt or wood. Dirt sounds more likely untill you begin to wonder what the Romans crucified those 500 people on? Maybe it was a combination. I dunno. All I know is that not many survivors lived to tell the tale.

Edited Nov-4 by Mark Mc

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#5 of 17 Posted Nov-4 6:02 PM

From Véronique Posts 3564 Last 10:18 AM
To Mark Mc [Msg # 168397.5 168397.4 ]

>> Up to 500 people a day were nailed to those walls. <<

I read somewhere that the Romans liked to line the Appian Way with crucifixions. Must have made for pleasant travelling!

~ Véronique

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#6 of 17 Posted Nov-4 6:50 PM

From Mark Mc Posts 11610 Last 7:34 AM
To Véronique [Msg # 168397.6 168397.5 ]

>>>Must have made for pleasant travelling!<<<

Yup. The plus being that traveling was relatively safe. At least for citizens and other freemen.

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#7 of 17 Posted Nov-4 6:52 PM

From Mark Mc Posts 11610 Last 7:34 AM
To All [Msg # 168397.7 168397.6 ]

>>>

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<<<

Oh, good title! Whoever is responsible.

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#8 of 17 Posted Nov-4 7:25 PM

From George A Posts 10217 Last 8:57 AM
To Ivy [Staff] [Msg # 168397.8 168397.2 ]

>>Nasty! Why should the public endure seeing such a grisly sight? It seems like a collective punishment.<<

Nah, it's an example of what can happen if the crime is heinous enough. I don't know much about Islam (particularly the Saudi version) practices, but isn't immediate burial a requirement and if it isn't carried out, there are post-mortem consequences?

The method of "postulating" what we want has many advantages; 
they are the same as the advantages of theft over honest toil.

Bertrand Russell

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#9 of 17 Posted Nov-4 7:27 PM

From George A Posts 10217 Last 8:57 AM
To Mark Mc [Msg # 168397.9 168397.7 ]

>>Oh, good title! Whoever is responsible.<<

<bashful, modest smile while digging toe in dirt>

The method of "postulating" what we want has many advantages; 
they are the same as the advantages of theft over honest toil.

Bertrand Russell

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#10 of 17 Posted Nov-4 7:46 PM

From Mark Mc Posts 11610 Last 7:34 AM
To George A [Msg # 168397.10 168397.9 ]

>>><bashful, modest smile while digging toe in dirt><<<

Outdid yourself, didn't ya.

:)

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#11 of 17 Posted Nov-4 9:45 PM

From George A Posts 10217 Last 8:57 AM
To Mark Mc [Msg # 168397.11 168397.10 ]

>>Outdid yourself, didn't ya.<<

Yeah, but nobody got upset at me when I suggested the Saudis were too easy on the guy by beheading him before crucifixion.

For his deeds of child rape and attempted child murder, I think he ought to get the full treatment, keeping him alive as long as possible.

But nobody had a cow about it.<sigh> I guess I'm slowing down.

The method of "postulating" what we want has many advantages; 
they are the same as the advantages of theft over honest toil.

Bertrand Russell

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#12 of 17 Posted Nov-5 7:57 AM

From Mark Mc Posts 11610 Last 7:34 AM
To George A [Msg # 168397.12 168397.11 ]

>>>But nobody had a cow about it.<sigh> I guess I'm slowing down.<<<

Ah, well. Maybe if you came back as a sock puppet, you could rile people up 'til they figured out they'd been had?

Maybe not. I can't even get a hyperbolic statement about rotten teeth through these days. :-/

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#13 of 17 Posted Nov-5 9:55 AM

From George A Posts 10217 Last 8:57 AM
To Mark Mc [Msg # 168397.13 168397.12 ]

>>Ah, well. Maybe if you came back as a sock puppet, you could rile people up 'til they figured out they'd been had?

Maybe not. I can't even get a hyperbolic statement about rotten teeth through these days. :-/<<

I do have a couple of sock puppet accounts left over from the days of he of the multiple names. But Patricia would probably spot them.<g>

The method of "postulating" what we want has many advantages; 
they are the same as the advantages of theft over honest toil.

Bertrand Russell

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#14 of 17 Posted Nov-5 11:28 AM

From Mark Mc Posts 11610 Last 7:34 AM
To George A [Msg # 168397.14 168397.13 ]

>>>I do have a couple of sock puppet accounts left over from the days of he of the multiple names. But Patricia would probably spot them.<g><<<

Drat!

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#15 of 17 Posted Nov-5 12:25 PM

From George A Posts 10217 Last 8:57 AM
To Mark Mc [Msg # 168397.15 168397.14 ]

>>Drat!<<

She and Mel (among others) are very good at spotting the fingerprints. I found when we were playing with you-know-who, that the secret to concealing your identity with a sock puppet is to say as little as you can, and be aware of any mannerisms you might have. Like, hackneyed phrases or even backquote punctuation.

The method of "postulating" what we want has many advantages; 
they are the same as the advantages of theft over honest toil.

Bertrand Russell

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#16 of 17 Posted Nov-5 1:35 PM

From Mark Mc Posts 11610 Last 7:34 AM
To George A [Msg # 168397.16 168397.15 ]

>>>I found when we were playing with you-know-who, that the secret to concealing your identity with a sock puppet is to say as little as you can, and be aware of any mannerisms you might have. Like, hackneyed phrases or even backquote punctuation.<<<

Okay, sure. Like I would know. I'm often the last to know. Now pictures, that's different.

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#17 of 17 Posted Nov-5 1:53 PM

From George A Posts 10217 Last 8:57 AM
To Mark Mc [Msg # 168397.17 168397.16 ]

>>Okay, sure. Like I would know. I'm often the last to know. Now pictures, that's different.<<

Most people aren't aware of how unique their style can be. Sometimes it takes a pretty good sample of writing before it comes out.

The method of "postulating" what we want has many advantages; 
they are the same as the advantages of theft over honest toil.

Bertrand Russell

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