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#1 of 73

     Posted Nov-5 1:03 PM   
Hugh Wyn Griffith WUGNET
 
From  Hugh Wyn Griffith WUGNET  Posts 555  Last Nov-24
To  All      [Msg # 196186.1 ]    

No-one does a manual anymore do they?

WRONG!

Here's a pdf e-reader manual from Microsoft:

The Complete Windows 7 Product Guide & eBook from Microsoft 

The download there is a .rar  file but my XP opened it OK and inside is the pdf file and one about ProNetworks so I just extracted the pdf into My Documents by right mouse clicking / extract to ....

I've only dipped into it but it seems useful for the "average user" <g>

Here is a link to the Microsoft Download site where the original pdf file is located

I checked out the bit about dealing with XP and it does give more information about Windows Easy Transfer than I had seen, including that the newest version enables you to select what you restore after you have made the transfer file.

Be careful where you go to download it from since the first XP version listed by Google dated back to 2007 whereas the second entry was to:

Windows Easy Transfer for transferring from Windows XP (32 bit) to Windows 7

and is for

File Name: wet7xp_x86.exe
Version: 6.1                                   See below about later version
Date Published: 9/15/2009

Note that there are different versions for: 

Hope that helps.


Just found I have a WET XP > WIN 7 that is 6.3.15.0 but at the moment I'm not sure where it came from so I'll try and track that down and revise here.

OK -- version discrepency resolved -- the MS version of 6.1 on the webpage is incorrect and the downloaded file is the 6.3.15.0 after all. It has a creation date of 10/04/2009

  Hugh


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#2 of 73

     Posted Nov-5 5:08 PM   
Dale G. Shields (WUGNET)
 
From  Dale G. Shields (WUGNET)  Posts 12692  Last 2:27 AM
To  Hugh Wyn Griffith WUGNET      [Msg # 196186.2 Message 196186.2 replying to 196186.1 196186.1 ]    

Complete?

Nowhere does thus guide discuss the Start menu.  I see lots of "we made things easier", bit no mention of the loss of functionality.  For example:

-----------------------------
Simple to Navigate

You’re probably already familiar with how to use and manage windows and don’t want to have to relearn
what you already know.
----------------------------

The Start Menu is in direct conflict with that...

Chapter 7's title is incorrect.  I find no way for Windows 7 ro work the way I want it with respect to how to easily locate and launch the many programs I have installed...

Where did you see the Transfer tool info?  I ran thriugh the entire PDF and did not see it listed...

The layout is nice.  However, to me, it reads like "marketing stuff" rather than real info for a user...

 


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     Posted Nov-5 5:59 PM   
Hugh Wyn Griffith WUGNET
 
From  Hugh Wyn Griffith WUGNET  Posts 555  Last Nov-24
To  Dale G. Shields (WUGNET)      [Msg # 196186.3 Message 196186.3 replying to 196186.2 196186.2 ]    

I was counting on you to say that ..... It's not a geek document; it's for average users and it's the first time I've seen anything like it from Microsoft unless you go back to DOS 6 ?

Windows Easy Transfer -- p19 using the AR go to box refers to selecting files.

Windows Easy Transfer helps you move files, folders, program settings, and system settings from your old PC to your new one. With the newest version of Windows Easy Transfer, you can leave the transfer unattended. If Windows encounters a file or setting that it can’t transfer, it will complete the rest of the migration and then show you any items that failed to transfer and give you the option to try again.

Windows Easy Transfer also works well if you’re adding a second PC. With the new Windows Easy Transfer file explorer, you can see files on other PCs and choose the ones you want to copy to your new PC. If
you’re not sure what you want to transfer, you can use the new Selective Restore feature to save all the files and settings on your old PC to removable media. You can then choose the files and settings you want to transfer. Everything else remains safely stored in your Windows Easy Transfer archive, in case you want to access it later.

You’ll need the same version of Windows Easy Transfer on all PCs to transfer files, folders, program settings, and system settings. For PCs running Windows 7, Windows Easy Transfer automatically copies
the latest version of Windows Easy Transfer to other PCs running Windows 7 after you’ve connected them. If you’re running Windows Vista or Windows XP, however, you will need to manually install the Windows 7 version of Windows Easy Transfer on your PC from the installation media in Windows 7 before you can begin transferring data.

I've highlighted the bits that made me look for a new version of WET and with it installed to explore the capabilities and not just use the default.

The rest probably came to me from reading other websites plus the MS Download pages.

As for the Start Menu, if one used the default VISTA settings, as I would expect the average user to, I doubt that it is as drastic a change as if one grew up on the XP CLassic Menu and changed settings in VISTA.

And in case you did not know -- an important part of marketing is to help the user to use the product correctly. It's so important that it should not be left exclusively to marketing or to technical personel as came up in another thread recently. So if marketing paid for this -- great!  Please everyone do more of it. When is the last time you saw a 140 page booklet with a product, even on the CD or hard drive.

Lenovo's support pages are the nearest I've seen recently.

PS

Check the Index:

Start Menu 16, 27, 29, 31, 36, 37, 67, 74, 85, 96, 131

Nowhere .... ?

  Hugh


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#4 of 73

     Posted Nov-5 10:11 PM   
Judy M.
 
From  Judy M.  Posts 3937  Last Nov-24
To  Hugh Wyn Griffith WUGNET      [Msg # 196186.4 Message 196186.4 replying to 196186.1 196186.1 ]    
Thanks, Hugh. I downloaded it and have taken a look. I'll definitely go through it carefully to make sure I don't miss some useful feature or a tip on how to use something.
--Judy M.

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#5 of 73

     Posted Nov-5 11:12 PM   
Dale G. Shields (WUGNET)
 
From  Dale G. Shields (WUGNET)  Posts 12692  Last 2:27 AM
To  Hugh Wyn Griffith WUGNET      [Msg # 196186.5 Message 196186.5 replying to 196186.3 196186.3 ]    

It's a GUIDE, not a MANUAL, for starters.  Big difference...

Did you not use WET from the Windows 7 media, as the Guide mentions?  That is the version I used...

>> if one used the default VISTA settings

What avout XP users?  Even the two-column XP Start menu used the fly-out process.  Nothing in the Guide warns them of the "culture shock" and the discovery of "not easy"...

>>an important part of marketing is to help the user to use the product correctly

Telling a user that what they have been used to was removed for no valid reason certainly "blames" the user.  That, to me, is very "incorrect" from the developer...

The "index" says nothing about the re-design not the loss of function...

 

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#6 of 73

     Posted Nov-5 11:13 PM   
Dale G. Shields (WUGNET)
 
From  Dale G. Shields (WUGNET)  Posts 12692  Last 2:27 AM
To  Judy M.      [Msg # 196186.6 Message 196186.6 replying to 196186.4 196186.4 ]    

Be prepared to be "underwhelmed" as the document is a GUIDE (it even describes itself as such) and not a MANUAL...

 

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#7 of 73

     Posted Nov-6 11:29 AM   
Hugh Wyn Griffith WUGNET
 
From  Hugh Wyn Griffith WUGNET  Posts 555  Last Nov-24
To  Dale G. Shields (WUGNET)      [Msg # 196186.7 Message 196186.7 replying to 196186.5 196186.5 ]    

Neither the meaning of words, nor poking fun, are your strong points, Dale:

<<

Manual (n)

1. A small book for handy use; a concise treatise, an abridgement, a handbook, a textbook; a book of instructions for operating a machine, learning a subject, etc. >>

It does not have to be a technical treatise.

  Hugh

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     Posted Nov-6 5:26 PM   
Judy M.
 
From  Judy M.  Posts 3937  Last Nov-24
To  Dale G. Shields (WUGNET)      [Msg # 196186.8 Message 196186.8 replying to 196186.6 196186.6 ]    

I was not underwhelmed. I found a lot of useful information in simply looking through.

Of course, I'm prepared to discover and use new features and I don't think everything *I* don't like is a loss of function or a horrible culture shock.
--Judy M.

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     Posted Nov-6 9:59 PM   
Dick C.
 
From  Dick C.  Posts 464  Last Nov-23
To  Hugh Wyn Griffith WUGNET      [Msg # 196186.9 Message 196186.9 replying to 196186.1 196186.1 ]    

Just one question--What is so wrong with plain old PDF's????

PDF's  will open in IE and one has theoption to save it locally.

No need to do a two step process in order to Read the document.

I D/L'ed the archive, but now I need to open the Adobe Reader separately in order to get the PDF.

That is better--I do not think so.

 

 


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#10 of 73

     Posted Nov-6 10:02 PM   
Dale G. Shields (WUGNET)
 
From  Dale G. Shields (WUGNET)  Posts 12692  Last 2:27 AM
To  Dick C.      [Msg # 196186.10 Message 196186.10 replying to 196186.9 196186.9 ]    

Huh?

Download the PDF file from MS and open it locally.  I fail to see what you are referring to...

 

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     Posted Nov-6 10:14 PM   
Dick C.
 
From  Dick C.  Posts 464  Last Nov-23
To  Dale G. Shields (WUGNET)      [Msg # 196186.11 Message 196186.11 replying to 196186.10 196186.10 ]    

The only thing I see is for the RAR file type. That does not open in IE like the plain old PDF does.

I never heard of the RAR file type

 


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     Posted Nov-6 11:00 PM   
Judy M.
 
From  Judy M.  Posts 3937  Last Nov-24
To  Dick C.      [Msg # 196186.12 Message 196186.12 replying to 196186.11 196186.11 ]    

RAR is a compression format, like the more familiar ZIP compression. I imagine it was used to make the file size smaller for downloading. The PDF when uncompressed is twice the size of the RAR file.

I agree that RAR is an odd choice for the compression because Win 7 does not uncompress a RAR file natively. You have to get a program that does. My Linux file managers do have the ability to uncompress RAR files, but I don't have a Windows program that does.
--Judy M.


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     Posted Nov-7 11:42 AM   
Hugh Wyn Griffith WUGNET
 
From  Hugh Wyn Griffith WUGNET  Posts 555  Last Nov-24
To  Dick C.      [Msg # 196186.13 Message 196186.13 replying to 196186.9 196186.9 ]    

Nothing wrong with PDF -- it and another file are inside the RAR which I did not create.

If your system does not open RAR files you can download the free 7-zip that opens them as does the later WINZIP I understand.

Double click on the RAR and inside is the pdf which is what I have in My Documents and open autormatically to read in AR. With it is another file about Pro Networks where I happen to have come across the reference. They are the people who do what used to be called VISTABOOTPro that I use for multiboot menu control.

I don't have the Microsoft download URL that Dale refers to.

  Hugh

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     Posted Nov-7 12:07 PM   
Dale G. Shields (WUGNET)
 
From  Dale G. Shields (WUGNET)  Posts 12692  Last 2:27 AM
To  Dick C.      [Msg # 196186.14 Message 196186.14 replying to 196186.11 196186.11 ]    

RAR is another compression type, similiar to ZIP...

The original link Hugh posted was from a third party, who re-packaged the PDF as well as a promotional URL to their site using the RAR format...

The file that is available directly from MS is straight PDF...

As I mentioned, I found the material to be "marketing" rather than a "manual" and the third party figured they could use it to promote themselves...

 

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     Posted Nov-7 12:11 PM   
Dale G. Shields (WUGNET)
 
From  Dale G. Shields (WUGNET)  Posts 12692  Last 2:27 AM
To  Hugh Wyn Griffith WUGNET      [Msg # 196186.15 Message 196186.15 replying to 196186.13 196186.13 ]    

>>I don't have the Microsoft download URL that Dale refers to.

I got it from your message...

Click on the link and you will see a link to "The Windows Club" which is the original source of the RAR file.  On that page is the link to the MS version...

Interesting that the MS PDF is 64 Meg and the one in the RAR file is 8 Meg...

 

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#16 of 73

     Posted Nov-7 1:31 PM   
K. Barthelmess
 
From  K. Barthelmess  Posts 58  Last Nov-24
To  Hugh Wyn Griffith WUGNET      [Msg # 196186.16 Message 196186.16 replying to 196186.13 196186.13 ]    

Hugh -

The MS link is:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?displaylang=en&FamilyID=ee2a1d38-88a9-43b3-95bc-7e962f0b6030

You can get to there from your original link, but it is not real obvious.

Kurt

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     Posted Nov-7 3:33 PM   
Dick C.
 
From  Dick C.  Posts 464  Last Nov-23
To  K. Barthelmess      [Msg # 196186.17 Message 196186.17 replying to 196186.16 196186.16 ]    

Thank you for positng the actual link to the original PDF file from MS.

The original link should have been included in the original message instead of being buried under an obscure link on the page from the third party.

My XP versions does not open the RAR type and I deleted it.

Dobuments are supposed to be easy to get and open in doing research.

Everyone does not have the same systems.

 


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     Posted Nov-7 4:55 PM   
Hugh Wyn Griffith WUGNET
 
From  Hugh Wyn Griffith WUGNET  Posts 555  Last Nov-24
To  Dale G. Shields (WUGNET)      [Msg # 196186.18 Message 196186.18 replying to 196186.15 196186.15 ]    

I think I followed that before posting but since I knew what ProNetworks is and wasn't sure what Windows Club was, I gave the one I did <s>

The MS download site does say --

Download Size:

30.5 MB - 92.5 MB*
*Download size depends on selected download components.

I've added the direct MS link to the original message.

  Hugh

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     Posted Nov-7 4:57 PM   
K. Barthelmess
 
From  K. Barthelmess  Posts 58  Last Nov-24
To  Dick C.      [Msg # 196186.19 Message 196186.19 replying to 196186.17 196186.17 ]    

Dick -

I'm glad you found it useful. As I think Hugh pointed out, there are free utilities to unpack a .rar file, but that means downloading and installing yet another program, with the risks associated therewith.

Good luck.

Kurt

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     Posted Nov-7 6:55 PM   
Dale G. Shields (WUGNET)
 
From  Dale G. Shields (WUGNET)  Posts 12692  Last 2:27 AM
To  Hugh Wyn Griffith WUGNET      [Msg # 196186.20 Message 196186.20 replying to 196186.18 196186.18 ]    

Which is strange as it's just a PDF file...

 

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