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Waking the Dead

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#1 of 13

     Posted Oct-25 9:01 PM   
Wanda/Texas*
 
From  Wanda/Texas*  Posts 80  Last 6:52 AM
To  All      [Msg # 128265.1 ]    

All:

An interesting article in the Travel Section of The Dallas Morning News (www.dallasnews.com ) titled, Waking the Dead, appeared this morning about the Texas State Cemetery in Austin, TX.  There, Confederate grave sites rival Arlington National Cemetery, according to the article's author, Linda Swift.

Included among the grave sites in various sections are 13 governors, early settlers, Civil War generals, along with other iconic Texans who have distinguished themselves in various fields.  Josiah Wilbarger, early Texas pioneer, is buried in the cemetery, his claim to fame is that he survived 12 years after being shot, and completely scalped, by a Comanche Indian in a raid by the Indian Tribe.

One oddity is the shortest State Highway in Texas that runs for a total of one half mile through the cemetery.  Hwy 165 also has the slowest speed limit for a State Hwy posted at 10 mph as one drives (coasting?) through the grounds.

Confederate General Albert Sidney Johnston is the most popular attraction.  His statue is sculpted in white marble lying on his white marble death bed after the Battle of Shiloh, done by Elisabet Ney, famed Bavarian sculptor.

Busloads of school children sit wide-eyed as a guide tells them the general is behind vertical bars inside a Gothic chapel to keep him from wandering the graveyard at night.

The guide, Jason Walker, director of research at the cemetery, also relates to the children, the cadence of drumbeats can be heard from the Confederate graves just down the hill on some nights. 

Could this really be true, or is it just a tale to scare children ('she' says as the chill bumps run down my spine) ?

Wanda

 

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     Posted Oct-25 9:19 PM   
Wanda/Texas*
 
From  Wanda/Texas*  Posts 80  Last 6:52 AM
To  All      [Msg # 128265.2 Message 128265.2 replying to 128265.1 128265.1 ]    
 
Johnston's tomb in the Texas State Cemetery.

The date of Johnston's death, Sunday, April 6, 1862, was coincidentally the 32nd anniversary of the founding of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (The Mormons), against whom he led United States forces in 1856 during the Utah War, in which cause the Mormons were deemed by the Buchanan Administration to be in rebellion against the United States. At his death, it was Johnston who was similarly deemed to be in rebellion against the United States as a commanding officer in the Confederate Army, this time by the Lincoln Administration.

Johnston was buried in New Orleans, Louisiana. In 1866, a joint resolution of the Texas Legislature was passed to have his body reinterred to the Texas State Cemetery in Austin The re-interment occurred in 1867. Forty years later, the state appointed Elisabet Ney to design a monument and sculpture of him to be erected at his gravesite.

The Texas Historical Commission has erected a historical marker near the entrance of what was once his plantation. An adjacent marker was erected by the San Jacinto Chapter of the Daughters of The Republic of Texas and the Lee, Roberts, and Davis Chapter of the United Daughters of the Confederate States of America.

The University of Texas at Austin has also recognized Johnston with a statue on the South Mall.

Courtesy of Wikipedia

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     Posted Oct-25 9:25 PM   
Wanda/Texas*
 
From  Wanda/Texas*  Posts 80  Last 6:52 AM
To  All      [Msg # 128265.3 Message 128265.3 replying to 128265.1 128265.1 ]    

General Albert Sidney Johnston, CSA

Photograph Source: Public Domain
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     Posted Oct-26 2:16 AM   
Dave Mercado
 
From  Dave Mercado  Posts 211  Last Nov-23
To  Wanda/Texas*      [Msg # 128265.4 Message 128265.4 replying to 128265.1 128265.1 ]    

> Josiah Wilbarger, early Texas pioneer, is buried in the cemetery

Wanda, a character in my favorite western novel, "Lonesome Dove" by Larry McMurtry, I think was named 'Wilbarger'. In the novel he was killed by bandits while leading a cattle drive to Kansas. I wonder if the name was used as a tribute to old Josiah? 

Best regards,
Dave

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     Posted Oct-26 2:26 PM   
Wanda/Texas*
 
From  Wanda/Texas*  Posts 80  Last 6:52 AM
To  Dave Mercado      [Msg # 128265.5 Message 128265.5 replying to 128265.4 128265.4 ]    

Hi Dave,

>>...'Wilbarger'. In the novel he was killed by bandits while leading a cattle drive to Kansas. I wonder if the name was used as a tribute to old Josiah? <<

What an interesting question!  I don't remember that particular character, but it would not surprise me if Larry McMurtry, himself, would be tickeled pink if someone was astute enough to figure that out. 

He lives here in Texas, and could probably be reached by email rather easily if you are interested in contacting him. Now, you've got me wondering. <s>

Thanks for your reply,

Wanda

 

ps...Dave, weren't the events in Lonsome Dove related to historical facts?

 


Edited Oct-26   by  Wanda/Texas*
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     Posted Oct-26 5:13 PM   
meserves
 
From  meserves  Posts 3475  Last Nov-17
To  Wanda/Texas*      [Msg # 128265.6 Message 128265.6 replying to 128265.5 128265.5 ]    

>Dave, weren't the events in Lonsome Dove related to historical facts?<

I'm not Dave; but I can tell you any history connection with Lonesome Dove is whatever history McMurtry knew about Texas in the 19th century. The novel began as a screenplay he wrote for John Wayne, Jimmy Stewart and Henry Fonda in 1972. When Wayne declined the project, it fell through, though McMurtry continued for several years to try to sell it. In 1982, he dusted off the old screenplay and wrote the novel that won the Pulitzer Prize for fiction in 1986. Even though John Huston tried to get the film rights to the novel, McMurtry had decided by that time to turn it into a TV miniseries.

Steve Meserve

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     Posted Oct-26 10:44 PM   
Dave Mercado
 
From  Dave Mercado  Posts 211  Last Nov-23
To  meserves      [Msg # 128265.7 Message 128265.7 replying to 128265.6 128265.6 ]    

> The novel began as a screenplay he wrote for John Wayne, Jimmy Stewart and Henry Fonda in 1972

This is interesting info. I could sort of see John Wayne or even Henry Fonda as 'Woodrow F. Call', but Jimmy Stewart as Gus McCrae? 

 

>  In 1982, he dusted off the old screenplay and wrote the novel that won the Pulitzer Prize for fiction in 1986.

I always assumed the book came first as it is so detailed you can taste the trail dust and smell the cow chips.

-Dave

 

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     Posted Oct-27 6:38 PM   
meserves
 
From  meserves  Posts 3475  Last Nov-17
To  Dave Mercado      [Msg # 128265.8 Message 128265.8 replying to 128265.7 128265.7 ]    

>I could sort of see John Wayne or even Henry Fonda as 'Woodrow F. Call', but Jimmy Stewart as Gus McCrae?<

Hnry Fonda, believe it or not, was supposed to play Jake Spoon. Yes, Jimmy Stewart was supposed to play Gus McCrae.

Steve Meserve

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     Posted Oct-27 7:59 PM   
Dave Mercado
 
From  Dave Mercado  Posts 211  Last Nov-23
To  meserves      [Msg # 128265.9 Message 128265.9 replying to 128265.8 128265.8 ]    

Steve,

I guess John Wayne would make a good 'W.F. Call' similar maybe to his Red River role. But it would be hard to beat Tommy Lee Jones as the tough Texas Ranger trail boss. Now you are probably going to report that Jones was born in New Jersey. <smile>

After seeing the TV mini series, It's hard to imagine anyone being a better 'Augustus McCrae' than Robert Duvall.

Was there a reason given as to why John Wayne refused the make the movie? Wasn't it obvious that it would be a blockbuster?

Best regards,
Dave

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     Posted Oct-27 9:49 PM   
meserves
 
From  meserves  Posts 3475  Last Nov-17
To  Dave Mercado      [Msg # 128265.10 Message 128265.10 replying to 128265.9 128265.9 ]    (Unread)

>Was there a reason given as to why John Wayne refused the make the movie? Wasn't it obvious that it would be a blockbuster?<

John Wayne had lost his leftlung to cancer in 1964, and needed frequent supplemental oxygen. In addition,his doctors advised against his doing a film that required so much time on location and such severe physical exertion.

Steve Meserve

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     Posted Oct-28 12:11 AM   
Wanda/Texas*
 
From  Wanda/Texas*  Posts 80  Last 6:52 AM
To  meserves      [Msg # 128265.11 Message 128265.11 replying to 128265.6 128265.6 ]    

Hi Not-Dave <g>

>>The novel began as a screenplay he wrote for John Wayne, Jimmy Stewart and Henry Fonda in 1972<<

I think the characters were perfectly suited to the miniseries, and Wayne, Stewart and Fonda might have been out of their element for the story. I'm not a fan of Robert Duvall, but the part suited him like a glove, I thought.  Now, Tommy Lee Jones is a favorite of mine, he could play Tarzan, and I would think he fit the part...well..almost.

Wanda

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     Posted Oct-28 4:20 PM   
DWoodbury
 
From  DWoodbury  Posts 98  Last Nov-23
To  Wanda/Texas*      [Msg # 128265.12 Message 128265.12 replying to 128265.2 128265.2 ]    

Wanda,

Thanks for the great info on A.S. Johnston. Every year some 30-50 members of this forum, plus newcomers, meet at a different battlefield for tours and talks. Some years ago we visited Shiloh with Wiley Sword. The park service marks Johnston's death site in one spot, but Sword has a theory about the precise spot being another 100 yards or so into the woods. He led a group of us there, reading from various accounts to describe the terrain. It was pretty interesting. His "Shiloh, Bloody April" is still considered a must-read for the Shiloh campaign.

I live just south of San Francisco, and A.S. Johnston shows up on some markers out here as well. He was in command at the S.F. Presidio when secession began in earnest, and is credited with a local armory out to Alcatraz to keep it out of the reach of southern sympathizers (reportedly 10,000 stands of arms and 150,000 cartridges). He remained loyal to the U.S. until he was relieved by Edwin Sumner, and resigned.

David

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     Posted Oct-28 4:43 PM   
Wanda/Texas*
 
From  Wanda/Texas*  Posts 80  Last 6:52 AM
To  DWoodbury      [Msg # 128265.13 Message 128265.13 replying to 128265.12 128265.12 ]    

Dave,

>>The park service marks Johnston's death site in one spot, but Sword has a theory about the precise spot being another 100 yards or so into the woods.<<

Didn't I read in his bio he was shot in the leg on the battlefield, but didn't think the wounds were serious.  He commanded his troops to take care of 'those wounded Yankee boys...' instead of himself.  His men carried him off the battlefield where they discovered his boot full of blood, and he bled to death in just a few minutes...if that was the case, maybe the Park Service marks the battlefield where the shooting occurred, and Sword the place where he bled to death?

The yearly tours sound like a lot of fun, and perhaps I'll be able to join the group next April in N'Orleans, one of my favorite cities.

>>...San Francisco, and A.S. Johnston shows up on some markers out here as well.<<

I remember reading about him being in California, but returning to the South when the War started. A true patriot.

The article was especially interesting to me since Texas is normally not thought of as a Southern state involved in the War.

Wanda

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