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* New Signs Economy Is Recovering

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#1 of 37

     Posted Sep-15 11:00 AM   
John Linendoll
 
From  John Linendoll  Posts 1355  Last 4:03 AM
To  All      [Msg # 17896.1 ]    

New Signs Economy Is Recovering

After more than a year of continuing bad news, latest figures show America's economy is rebounding.  Growth climbed at its fastest rate since the beginning of 2006, according to figures released today by the Commerce Department.  What signs have _you_ seen that our economy is on the upswing?

Retail sales last month rose nearly three percent, far exceeding expectations and offering hope that the long-awaited recovery has begun in earnest.

And Federal Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke told a Washington forum today that America's recession "is very likely over at this point."

Speaking at Washington's prestigious Brookings Institution this morning, Mr. Bernanke observed that:

  "That's one reason why, even though from a technical perspective, the recession is very likely over at this point, it's still going to feel like a very weak economy for some time."
 
  "As many people will still find their job security and employment status is not what they wish it was.
"
 
Chairman Bernanke went on to observe that:

  "Even though from a technical perspective, the recession is very likely over at this point, it's still going to feel like a very weak economy for some time as many people will still find that their job security and their employment status is not what they wish it was."  

Similarly, President Barack Obama said in a televised address this morning that he also saw signs the economy was recovering.

Among the factors contributing to the rise in our nation's economic prospects was the Cash for Clunkers program.  It spurred not only auto sales but also helped drive other parts of the sagging economy, in the view of some analysts.

"With broad-based gains, it's hard to say any sector is a standout, which is great," observed one Wells Fargo analyst quoted by CNNMoney this morning.  "We had promising core numbers, but we don't want to call a trend out of one month."

And it wasn't only the auto market which received a boost. 

Non-auto sales, which had fallen 0.6 percent in July, rose 1.1 percent last month, boosting hopes that Autumn manufacturing might continue to benefit from the boost.

What remains to be seen is whether these increases will be sustained through the upcoming holiday and year-end shopping seasons.

What do _you_ think?

[Views expressed are those of the author(s) and do not necessarily reflect those of CompuServe, Netscape, any government, agency, or news organization.]


Edited Sep-15   by  John Linendoll

Edited Sep-15   by  John Linendoll
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#2 of 37

     Posted Sep-15 11:09 AM   
John Linendoll
 
From  John Linendoll  Posts 1355  Last 4:03 AM
To  All      [Msg # 17896.2 Message 17896.2 replying to 17896.1 17896.1 ]    

Reuters:

U.S. retail sales surge as economy gains strength

  "Retail sales show the recovery is here. This wasn't just autos, it wasn't just gasoline. This was the U.S. consumer getting out of their foxhole," said T.J. Marta, market strategist at Marta on the Markets in Scotch Plains, New Jersey. "This is indisputably a good number."

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     Posted Sep-15 11:11 AM   
John Linendoll
 
From  John Linendoll  Posts 1355  Last 4:03 AM
To  All      [Msg # 17896.3 Message 17896.3 replying to 17896.2 17896.2 ]    

China's state-run Xinhua offered this graphic illustration of this morning's news:

US retail sales, manufacturing rise faster
Sales at US retailers rose at their fastest pace in three-and-half years in August as government-sponsored auto incentives buoyed demand for motor vehicles, according to data on Tuesday that also showed strong sales outside the auto sector. [Agencies] 

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     Posted Sep-15 11:14 AM   
John Linendoll
 
From  John Linendoll  Posts 1355  Last 4:03 AM
To  All      [Msg # 17896.4 Message 17896.4 replying to 17896.3 17896.3 ]    

From Bloomberg:

There’s quite a bit of pent-up demand,” said Chris Rupkey, chief financial economist at Bank of Tokyo-Mitsubishi UFJ Ltd. in New York. “At the moment, it looks like the consumer is buying goods besides autos. The outlook has brightened immeasurably.

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#5 of 37

     Posted Sep-15 11:15 AM   
John Linendoll
 
From  John Linendoll  Posts 1355  Last 4:03 AM
To  All      [Msg # 17896.5 Message 17896.5 replying to 17896.4 17896.4 ]    
What signs are _you_ seeing that our nation's economy may have turned the corner on a path toward economic recovery?
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#6 of 37

     Posted Sep-15 12:15 PM   
John Linendoll
 
From  John Linendoll  Posts 1355  Last 4:03 AM
To  All      [Msg # 17896.6 Message 17896.6 replying to 17896.5 17896.5 ]    

But often-controversial Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner appeared to express a more cautious outlook in an interview yesterday, as quoted by Agence France-Presse:

"I would say there's no recovery yet," Geithner said in an interview with ABC television marking a year after the Lehman Brothers failure that triggered panic and deepened the economic downturn.

"We don't have in place yet a real recovery. We define recovery, and the president will define recovery, as people back to work, people able to get a job again, businesses investing again. And we are not at the point where we can say that yet."

How do you think we should interpret his remakrs?

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#7 of 37

     Posted Sep-15 9:50 PM   
artie33900
 
From  artie33900  Posts 2  Last Sep-16
To  John Linendoll      [Msg # 17896.7 Message 17896.7 replying to 17896.1 17896.1 ]    

Please... Take a look around and use your head.    Retail sales were up because everyone who has kids was buying school supplies clothes and dorm supplies.  and...   I'm sure if you let it play out a bit you will find that the "Cash for Clunkers" program will end up hurting the economy for a couple of good reasons.   1  you have just removed a few million perfectly good cars from the used car market... I'm sure those people who cant afford to by a new car are very happy.   2   The clunkers deal also takes those cars completely out of the system, so  NO used car parts revenue   NO more oil changes   WOW no more new tires ( sorry Goodyear )   3   it does do one thing.   a new car generally is more costly to insure .    

       Lets face it !  The Obama stimulus pay back is not doing any good for the economy and if Obama has his way with healthcare I'll have to pay for FREE  Housing (thank you hud) FREE  Food ( wik food stamps) and now FREE Medical Coverage  for every ILLEGAL that gets into the Country...   No Thanks!!   I'm Done paying for freebies

    Thanks for reading.

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#8 of 37

     Posted Sep-16 12:12 AM   
John Linendoll
 
From  John Linendoll  Posts 1355  Last 4:03 AM
To  artie33900      [Msg # 17896.8 Message 17896.8 replying to 17896.7 17896.7 ]    (Unread)

  I'm Done paying for freebies

Is there anyone else here who actually believes that we're done paying for anyone's freebies?

Anyone besides me looking into the sky to see the sign of a miracle?

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#9 of 37

     Posted Sep-16 12:49 AM   
Bruce Fredericks [M&I]
 
From  Bruce Fredericks [M&I]  Posts 1117  Last Nov-24
To  John Linendoll      [Msg # 17896.9 Message 17896.9 replying to 17896.1 17896.1 ]    
>> What remains to be seen is whether these increases will be sustained through the upcoming holiday and year-end shopping seasons.

What do _you_ think? <<

John and all,

I think I am literally 'feeling' my way out of this recession just like I felt increasingly depressed in the October - December, 2008 period.  It is difficult to pin this down in words, but is rather more of just the way world events make me feel these days.

 

Bruce from Central New Jersey


Edited Sep-16   by  Bruce Fredericks [M&I]
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#10 of 37

     Posted Sep-16 6:16 PM   
artie33900
 
From  artie33900  Posts 2  Last Sep-16
To  Bruce Fredericks [M&I]      [Msg # 17896.10 Message 17896.10 replying to 17896.9 17896.9 ]    

      Sorry if I was misunderstood.    I don't mind paying for a guy who got hurt on the job and has to take a few months off to rehab.   That is fine.  What I'm done with is paying for someone to live here ( USA #  without contributing.    Mainly Illegals!!!    They are lucky I'm not in charge... I would load their butts in box cars and send them back across the border.   They are Illegal!!!   so BOO HOO if the ride back is a little uncomfortable.     There are groups of people that think we # the US ) are being too harsh, too unfeeling, too cold... I say place the Gitmo prisoners in single 6x6x6 boxes and feed them PBnJ  until they remember what it was we asked them     and if they don't like it then say hello to my little friend !   Do not forget    these are men who would strap on a bomb and walk into a Walmart and explode it just to kill soldiers, no no  just to kill your wife,son and daughter.  Think that one over.

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#11 of 37

     Posted Sep-16 8:12 PM   
DickWeltz
 
From  DickWeltz  Posts 686  Last 9:52 AM
To  John Linendoll      [Msg # 17896.11 Message 17896.11 replying to 17896.8 17896.8 ]    

Anyone besides me looking into the sky to see the sign of a miracle?

The miracle you just might get is a recovery driven by the fantastic creative and productive power of a free-market economy despite the Obama-led efforts to socialize it.

 

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#12 of 37

     Posted Sep-17 2:49 PM   
outaz2
 
From  outaz2  Posts 330  Last 11:06 AM
To  All      [Msg # 17896.12 Message 17896.12 replying to 17896.11 17896.11 ]    
First I don't know what Illegals, paying for so called Freebies or Obama bashing has to do with the question. Once again some posters demonstrate their inability to actually post on the question asked. The question: The signs are everywhere gentlemen. All you have to do is view them as a glass half full rather that your view of one half empty. I am a Bull market kind of guy who, even with his meager money pile and lower risk tolerance, has and is just making a killing in the market. DOW lows of 6500ish to almost currently 10K. If the response of the world financial markets does not get your attention that we are moving in the right direction---then nothing nearly as clearly written by me is going to move your attitudes. Maybe you are too young to "have been there done that" before, but I am not. I have been through several recessions and each and every time have cashed in nicely on the recovery end. Thankfully there will always be Bull and Bears or optimists and pessimists if you prefer. If you got out of the market and raise cash, if you waited for the bottom, and if you became a buyer as the market moved north from 6500 I think your posts would be different. In other words, if you were a smart investor. There is just so much positive news out there I am amazed so many people continue to run scared--yes run scared is appropriate and accurate. So you guys just sit on your hands and piss and moan about Illegals/Heath Care/Obama/Freebies/Cash for Clunkers/the Weather, or whatever and I will quietly continue to cash in on the very real economic recovery. Do any of the "reality challenged" really believe the DOW will not hit 10K in the next few months?
Edited Sep-17   by  outaz2
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     Posted Sep-18 10:46 AM   
BenRandall
 
From  BenRandall  Posts 96  Last Nov-10
To  outaz2      [Msg # 17896.13 Message 17896.13 replying to 17896.12 17896.12 ]    
We're glad to hear you're doing well in the market. Make lots of money. Then while Obama and all the congressmen who have become multimillionaires since getting elected, are passing more laws to take your hard earned profits, while they avoid paying taxes, and give our money to those who are obviously more deserving! He said so, and I believe him!  I'm also excpcting a visit from three wise men from the East!
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#14 of 37

     Posted Sep-18 10:56 AM   
4merCL
 
From  4merCL  Posts 4606  Last Nov-24
To  BenRandall      [Msg # 17896.14 Message 17896.14 replying to 17896.13 17896.13 ]    

>>   I'm also excpcting a visit from three wise men from the East!  <<

Bernanke, Greenspan..............................and who is the third?

Best regards,  4merCL

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#15 of 37

     Posted Sep-18 12:09 PM   
DickWeltz
 
From  DickWeltz  Posts 686  Last 9:52 AM
To  outaz2      [Msg # 17896.15 Message 17896.15 replying to 17896.12 17896.12 ]    

First I don't know what Illegals, paying for so called Freebies or Obama bashing has to do with the question.

Right. You don't seem to know at all.

Maybe you are too young to "have been there done that" before, but I am not.

Probably. I'm only in my seventies and have been investing, both in public venues and private businesses for a half century or more.

 Do any of the "reality challenged" really believe the DOW will not hit 10K in the next few months?

I expect it to hit 10K, and go above, but in a little longer time than just a few months. It will do this because of the ability of our economy to recover and move forward despite the domestic policies of this anti-market administration.

 

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     Posted Sep-18 12:55 PM   
outaz2
 
From  outaz2  Posts 330  Last 11:06 AM
To  DickWeltz      [Msg # 17896.16 Message 17896.16 replying to 17896.15 17896.15 ]    

I am only in my 60s so have not quite hit 50 years yet. I did begin investing before I could legally own an account so my parents name was on the original. Just a beginner at 48 years experience.

"I expect it to hit 10K, and go above, but in a little longer time than just a few months. It will do this because of the ability of our economy to recover and move forward despite the domestic policies of this anti-market administration."

Taking out the democratic party code words ( anti-market administration ) your best most accurate post to date. There is hope.

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     Posted Sep-19 1:35 PM   
outaz2
 
From  outaz2  Posts 330  Last 11:06 AM
To  DickWeltz      [Msg # 17896.17 Message 17896.17 replying to 17896.16 17896.16 ]    
After a day or so to ponder I will go with a 10K DOW in the dreary financial month of October. Not saying it will hit this number and keep going or even maintain 10K. But I do believe there is no stopping a 10K DOW close.
FYI my total investment losses from 14000 DOW fell below 7% Friday. How you doing?
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#18 of 37

     Posted Sep-20 7:08 PM   
DickWeltz
 
From  DickWeltz  Posts 686  Last 9:52 AM
To  outaz2      [Msg # 17896.18 Message 17896.18 replying to 17896.17 17896.17 ]    

After a day or so to ponder I will go with a 10K DOW in the dreary financial month of October. Not saying it will hit this number and keep going or even maintain 10K. But I do believe there is no stopping a 10K DOW close.
FYI my total investment losses from 14000 DOW fell below 7% Friday. How you doing?

I hope you're right about October. Some of my investments got hit harder than 7%, but those tend to be in the market price of income yielding stuff that still pays the dividend/interest regardless of the reduced selling price -- which doesn't matter to me much, as I don't plan to sell and just want the income.

 

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     Posted Sep-21 1:23 PM   
outaz2
 
From  outaz2  Posts 330  Last 11:06 AM
To  DickWeltz      [Msg # 17896.19 Message 17896.19 replying to 17896.18 17896.18 ]    
At the bottom my losses were 20%-an average, as some were worse and some a tad better. As the market raced toward 6500 I sold off my most speculative holdings as each hit its predetermined stop loss point. Sometimes I got a bit twitchy and sold sooner. Mostly various funds but also a few stocks.
Ended up holding about 20 funds and 48 stocks @ Dow 6500. Being a pure Bull my experience told me we were at or near the bottom and I began spending some of that accumulated cash. Working with my Financial professional we made and continue to make 1 or 2 buys each month. No funds, most solid dividend payers and also suspended dividend re-investment. Some times we added to already held positions aka BGR (dividend) and sometimes buying new aka BAC (value).
I share you view on dividend/income. IMHO in the last year or so dividend payers gave you income plus, with their ever increasing share price, increased your portfolio value. It is not often you get a 2 for 1 this easy.
I would like to say I was a pretty smart investor but as in any endeavor timing and luck always play a hand.
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     Posted Sep-21 2:09 PM   
Bob B
 
From  Bob B  Posts 120  Last Nov-5
To  outaz2      [Msg # 17896.20 Message 17896.20 replying to 17896.16 17896.16 ]    

"I expect it to hit 10K, and go above, but in a little longer time than just a few months. It will do this because of the ability of our economy to recover and move forward despite the domestic policies of this anti-market administration."

I too believe we'll get to 10K,, the hard part is deciding exactly when.

Yes we have a anti-market administration, but haven't the markets done the best under the Democrats?

 

Bob

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